1832 LM variety
BLcoinnut
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I have been trying to find the LM number for my 1832 half dime,
but I cant pin it down for sure.
I think its an LM6,
I know the scans are bad,it looks alot better in hand,sharper also.
can anybody offer an opinion as to variety and grade?
Thanks
but I cant pin it down for sure.
I think its an LM6,
I know the scans are bad,it looks alot better in hand,sharper also.
can anybody offer an opinion as to variety and grade?
Thanks
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I like the look of your coin and would put it in the VG10 range.
<< <i>It's the LM3/V1 R1 die marriage. The only marriage for the year with the S2S-1 relationship. The LM6/B11 has the S2S-2 relationship which is very similar and easy to confuse. The clincher for this one is the relationship of A3 to the arrowhead. On Reverse die Q (LM3/V1) the foot of A3 touches the arrowhead, this is seen on your coin. On Reverse die P (LM6/B11) the foot of A3 is distant from the arrowhead. I like the look of your coin and would put it in the VG10 range. >>
Geeze Rich, you could have at least given the guy some information!
for pointing that A to arrow, out to me.
Its people like you,who make this forum the best,
not only the knowledge but you also take time to share.
Thanks again
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<< <i>It's the LM3/V1 R1 die marriage. The only marriage for the year with the S2S-1 relationship. The LM6/B11 has the S2S-2 relationship which is very similar and easy to confuse. The clincher for this one is the relationship of A3 to the arrowhead. On Reverse die Q (LM3/V1) the foot of A3 touches the arrowhead, this is seen on your coin. On Reverse die P (LM6/B11) the foot of A3 is distant from the arrowhead. I like the look of your coin and would put it in the VG10 range. >>
Geeze Rich, you could have at least given the guy some information!
Sorry. Here ya go BLcoinnut...
The 1832 LM3/V1 die marriage was the third half dime made bearing that date. It was produced using Obverse die #3, which was the inaugural use of this die, and Reverse die Q. This was the second and last time Reverse die Q was used, it was previously used to strike the 1830 LM14/V1.
Early die state 1832 LM3/V1 coins usually show strong die clashing, most evident above the date but at some point the die was lapped to remove this clashing. Early die state coins will not have any obverse cracks. During the striking of this marriage a crack does develop running from the top of the cap, left to the rim of the coin. Weak dentils near the date are also a characteristic.
You can find more die clashing on the reverse, look in the crotch of the right wing. A handfull of die cracks are seen such as one from M to rim, one left wing to rim, one from tip of right wing to the middle arrow and a crack from T3 to rim. You may think that a coin with all these cracks would be a late die state coin but in this instance that's not really the case. The die was lapped during the use to remove both the clash marks and the cracks so a late die state coin should appear less broken up than a middle die state coin. The way to see if your coin is a pre or post reverse lapping is the third stroke of M. When it was lapped this stroke was removed. Your coin features this quite clearly which means it's a LDS.
The marriage is very common and known in grades from uber low to quite high mint state. My personal core collection example is a pleasantly crusty AU53 (photo below).
I never noticed this line between the M and E before,
from the bottom right of M to top left of E ,it looks like a piece of the M.
is that what you are referring to as pre or post reverse lapping .
Dont really know what it means,
But I'll humbly accept your opinion.
Thanks again
Honestly I'd need your coin in hand with a loupe to form an opinion on that line. Maybe one of the other half dime geeks will have an idea about it though.
<< <i>is that what you are referring to as pre or post reverse lapping .
Dont really know what it means. >>
Think of lapping like a light shaving of the die to remove defects. Sometimes portions of the die that are not very deeply incuse (such as the 3rd stroke of M) are shaved enough that they cease to leave a mark on the struck coin. A pre-lapping LM3 will have a normal and complete M. A post-lapping LM3 has the broken M with the 3rd stroke missing. Think of the M as having 4 strokes starting on the left.
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On the lapped LM3 the / is missing.
The mark you speak of between M and E3 on your coin is not related to this but what it is I can't say.
thanks for bearing with me and explaining it,Cladiator.