HUGE FIND!!!!!!!! Very Large List!
Bthiet
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A few days ago i posted that my grandfather contacted me to help value and eventually liquidate his coin collection. I had no idea that he had such an extensive collection. It was valued at $70,000 in 1989. We are going to take this process very very slowly and i am going to learn as much as i can before any selling is done. Here is a brief list. There are many many coins not on this list.
Half Cents: (The majority of these are in VF condition with a couple in F.)
1807, 1825, 1826, (2) 1828 13 Stars, 1829, 1834, 1835, (2) 1851, 1853
Large Cents: Coins pre 1815 are in mostly VG condition, Coins 1815 to 1857 are about half VF and half F,
1800, 1802, 1803, 1807 Small Fraction, 1808 Classic, 1812, 1813, 1814, 1816 Coronet, 1817 13 Stars, (2) 1818, 1820, 1822, 1825, 1826, 1827, 1828 LD, 1829 md, 1831-1834, 1835 Type 36, 1836, 1837, 1838, 1839 Silly Head, 1840, 1842, 1843 Petite Small Letters, 1843 Mature Large Letters, 1844-1857 (various types, every year has at least 1 coin)
Lincoln Cents:
(6) 1909 VDB in VF Condition
(2) 1909 VDB in AU Condition
1909 S VDB in F to VF Condition (I know this one is very rare)
(2) 1909 S in F Condition
Every Year and mint from 1910-1955 (Pre 1926 most are in F-VF Condition with 1910, 1911, 1912 1920 in MS-60. After 1926 most in MS-60. Rare versions included are 1914D, 1922 PI, 1931S, 1955 Double Die)
Flying Eagle Cents
1857 in F Condition
1858 Larger and Small in VF
Indian Head Cents
Every year and variation from 1859-1909. The only ones missing are the 1873 Open 3, 1873 Double Die, and the 1888/7. Majority of coins (80%) pre 1880 are in F condition. Coins after 1880 are about ½ VF and ½ EF or AU. There are multiples of many years. Some years have up to 10 of each coin.
Indian Head 5 Cents
Every year and variation from 1913-1938. Pre 1920 are mostly in VG condition and After 1920 they are a mix of VG, F, and VF. Included are some rare ones like a 1937 3 leg in VG condition, 1921S in VG condition, 1914D in F, and every variation of 1913 in F including 11 1913 Version 1 that are uncirculated.
Rolls of Indian Head 5 Cents from years 1930, 1934-1937 from both mints, and 1938. All rolls are circulated. Half rolls from 1928S, 1929D, 1929S 1930S 1937D.
Also some mixed date ones? With no horn, half horn or ¾ horn?????
Jefferson 5 Cents
At least 3 Full rolls from each year 1938-1964. Each mint is represented.(For example he has 3 rolls from each 1938,1938S and 1938D) All have been circulated except 1959-1964 are uncirculated. Also 1 coin from each year and mint.
Roosevelt Dimes
At least 1 roll from each year and each mint from 1946-1964.
Winged Liberty (Mercury) Head Dimes
At least 1 from each year and each mint 1916-1945. Pre 1935 are either VG – VF condition. 1935-1945 are in MS 60 or EF 40. The only variation missing is the 1942/1-D. Some years he has over 10 of some of the coins.
Washington Quarters
Every year and every mint from 1932-1955. Good mix of VF, EF, and AU. Some key dates are 1932 AU, 1932D in F Condition, 1932S in F condition, 1936 MS60, 1939D in MS60.
Walking Liberty Half Dollars
Every year and every mint from 1916-1947. Pre 1923 are in VG condition, After 1923 majority are in VF or EF condition. Key dates include 1916S, 1921D, 1921S, 1938D in VF condition.
Commemorative Silver Coins
Too many to list, in 1989 they booked in a price guide for over $14,000. Probably about 60 Coins. Some key ones include 1946 Iowa, 1938 New Rochelle, 1937 Antietam, 1936 Norfolk, Plus many many more.
Morgan Silver Dollars
Almost every year and mint from 1880-1921. All the key dates included except 1893S, 1903S, and 1893O. Condition ranges from F-EF for coins pre 1890 and after 1890 coins are half MS60 and half VF/EF. Some early dates are also MS60. There are duplicates of many years and mints.
US Proof Sets
Every year from 1950-1979. At least 3 of every year from 1954-1979. 1 only from 1950-1953.
US Mint Sets
1959-1969. At least 1 from each year. Some years in the 1960s have 6-9 sets. 1971-1974 Proof Eisenhower Silver Dollars. Plus some more proof coins from 1970s and 1980s.
3 Cent Nickel
1865-1881. 21 coins from these years.
3 Cent Silver
(2) 1852 in F condition
Half Dime
1831 F, 1837 VG, 1838 F, 1844O VG, 1852O F, 1861 F, 1873 F
Many many more misc coins from various years. All booked in price guide in 1989 for about $5-50 a piece.
Uncirculated Rolls:
1 Cent
1943, 1952-1957 2 from each mint for each year., 1960 Small, 1960D Small
5 Cent
1948D, 1950D, 1955, 1956D, 1959, (8) 1960, 1961, 1961D
10 Cent
1952, 1953s, (2) 1955, 1955D, (2) 1955S, (5) 1960, 1960D, 1961, 1963, 1963D, 1964
25 Cent
1963D
50 Cent
1955, (2) 1964D, (2) 1964
Gold Panda
Both 1oz and ½ oz from each year 1982-1990.
US Gold Famous Americans
1980 –Grant Wood and Marian Anderson
1981- Mark Twain and Willa Cather
1982- Louis Armstrong and Frank Lloyd Wright
1983- Robert Frost and Alexander Calder
1984- Helen Hayes and John Steinbeck
US Gold Coins:
US $20
1904 AU, 1910 AU, 1923 EX
US $10
1881s EX, 1915 AU
US $5
1900 AU, 1904 UNC, 1909D EX, 1909D AU, 1909 EX, 1911S EX, 1909S EX, 1909D EX, 1909 AU
US $2.5
1908 VF, 1927 EX, 1909 EX, 1908 VF, 1909 EX, 1915 AU, 1927 AU, 1913 EX, 1913 EX, 1929 AU, 1925D, 1929 AU, 1911 AU, 1908 VF
US $1
1857 VF, 1856 EX, 1861 AU, 1854 TY. 2 FV, 1903 Lousiana Per. Mckinly
There are also many many Canadian coins that I am not gonna list cause it will take way too long.
Please tell me what you think and what’s the best way to get this all valued and go about liquidating some of this?
Half Cents: (The majority of these are in VF condition with a couple in F.)
1807, 1825, 1826, (2) 1828 13 Stars, 1829, 1834, 1835, (2) 1851, 1853
Large Cents: Coins pre 1815 are in mostly VG condition, Coins 1815 to 1857 are about half VF and half F,
1800, 1802, 1803, 1807 Small Fraction, 1808 Classic, 1812, 1813, 1814, 1816 Coronet, 1817 13 Stars, (2) 1818, 1820, 1822, 1825, 1826, 1827, 1828 LD, 1829 md, 1831-1834, 1835 Type 36, 1836, 1837, 1838, 1839 Silly Head, 1840, 1842, 1843 Petite Small Letters, 1843 Mature Large Letters, 1844-1857 (various types, every year has at least 1 coin)
Lincoln Cents:
(6) 1909 VDB in VF Condition
(2) 1909 VDB in AU Condition
1909 S VDB in F to VF Condition (I know this one is very rare)
(2) 1909 S in F Condition
Every Year and mint from 1910-1955 (Pre 1926 most are in F-VF Condition with 1910, 1911, 1912 1920 in MS-60. After 1926 most in MS-60. Rare versions included are 1914D, 1922 PI, 1931S, 1955 Double Die)
Flying Eagle Cents
1857 in F Condition
1858 Larger and Small in VF
Indian Head Cents
Every year and variation from 1859-1909. The only ones missing are the 1873 Open 3, 1873 Double Die, and the 1888/7. Majority of coins (80%) pre 1880 are in F condition. Coins after 1880 are about ½ VF and ½ EF or AU. There are multiples of many years. Some years have up to 10 of each coin.
Indian Head 5 Cents
Every year and variation from 1913-1938. Pre 1920 are mostly in VG condition and After 1920 they are a mix of VG, F, and VF. Included are some rare ones like a 1937 3 leg in VG condition, 1921S in VG condition, 1914D in F, and every variation of 1913 in F including 11 1913 Version 1 that are uncirculated.
Rolls of Indian Head 5 Cents from years 1930, 1934-1937 from both mints, and 1938. All rolls are circulated. Half rolls from 1928S, 1929D, 1929S 1930S 1937D.
Also some mixed date ones? With no horn, half horn or ¾ horn?????
Jefferson 5 Cents
At least 3 Full rolls from each year 1938-1964. Each mint is represented.(For example he has 3 rolls from each 1938,1938S and 1938D) All have been circulated except 1959-1964 are uncirculated. Also 1 coin from each year and mint.
Roosevelt Dimes
At least 1 roll from each year and each mint from 1946-1964.
Winged Liberty (Mercury) Head Dimes
At least 1 from each year and each mint 1916-1945. Pre 1935 are either VG – VF condition. 1935-1945 are in MS 60 or EF 40. The only variation missing is the 1942/1-D. Some years he has over 10 of some of the coins.
Washington Quarters
Every year and every mint from 1932-1955. Good mix of VF, EF, and AU. Some key dates are 1932 AU, 1932D in F Condition, 1932S in F condition, 1936 MS60, 1939D in MS60.
Walking Liberty Half Dollars
Every year and every mint from 1916-1947. Pre 1923 are in VG condition, After 1923 majority are in VF or EF condition. Key dates include 1916S, 1921D, 1921S, 1938D in VF condition.
Commemorative Silver Coins
Too many to list, in 1989 they booked in a price guide for over $14,000. Probably about 60 Coins. Some key ones include 1946 Iowa, 1938 New Rochelle, 1937 Antietam, 1936 Norfolk, Plus many many more.
Morgan Silver Dollars
Almost every year and mint from 1880-1921. All the key dates included except 1893S, 1903S, and 1893O. Condition ranges from F-EF for coins pre 1890 and after 1890 coins are half MS60 and half VF/EF. Some early dates are also MS60. There are duplicates of many years and mints.
US Proof Sets
Every year from 1950-1979. At least 3 of every year from 1954-1979. 1 only from 1950-1953.
US Mint Sets
1959-1969. At least 1 from each year. Some years in the 1960s have 6-9 sets. 1971-1974 Proof Eisenhower Silver Dollars. Plus some more proof coins from 1970s and 1980s.
3 Cent Nickel
1865-1881. 21 coins from these years.
3 Cent Silver
(2) 1852 in F condition
Half Dime
1831 F, 1837 VG, 1838 F, 1844O VG, 1852O F, 1861 F, 1873 F
Many many more misc coins from various years. All booked in price guide in 1989 for about $5-50 a piece.
Uncirculated Rolls:
1 Cent
1943, 1952-1957 2 from each mint for each year., 1960 Small, 1960D Small
5 Cent
1948D, 1950D, 1955, 1956D, 1959, (8) 1960, 1961, 1961D
10 Cent
1952, 1953s, (2) 1955, 1955D, (2) 1955S, (5) 1960, 1960D, 1961, 1963, 1963D, 1964
25 Cent
1963D
50 Cent
1955, (2) 1964D, (2) 1964
Gold Panda
Both 1oz and ½ oz from each year 1982-1990.
US Gold Famous Americans
1980 –Grant Wood and Marian Anderson
1981- Mark Twain and Willa Cather
1982- Louis Armstrong and Frank Lloyd Wright
1983- Robert Frost and Alexander Calder
1984- Helen Hayes and John Steinbeck
US Gold Coins:
US $20
1904 AU, 1910 AU, 1923 EX
US $10
1881s EX, 1915 AU
US $5
1900 AU, 1904 UNC, 1909D EX, 1909D AU, 1909 EX, 1911S EX, 1909S EX, 1909D EX, 1909 AU
US $2.5
1908 VF, 1927 EX, 1909 EX, 1908 VF, 1909 EX, 1915 AU, 1927 AU, 1913 EX, 1913 EX, 1929 AU, 1925D, 1929 AU, 1911 AU, 1908 VF
US $1
1857 VF, 1856 EX, 1861 AU, 1854 TY. 2 FV, 1903 Lousiana Per. Mckinly
There are also many many Canadian coins that I am not gonna list cause it will take way too long.
Please tell me what you think and what’s the best way to get this all valued and go about liquidating some of this?
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Are you interested in selling them yourself? Or are you wishing to have someone else do it for you on a commission basis?
Of course, that costs money, and if the coins have problems that preclude their grading, you're out that money. In order to do this right, you'll have to show someone the coins. Posting pictures here is a good start. You'll get plenty of opinions and advice once people can see what you have. Go through one category at a time, since specialists will likely take the time to look at something that is specific (all the large copper, for example) than if you posted pictures of everything at once. Some coins may be rare varieties that take an expert's eye to see, but are worth multiples of what the price guides say.
What's your general location? There may be people here who could help in person or recommend an honest dealer in your area who will be glad to help with a slow liquidation. Don't go to a dealer without a recommendation from people here. You'll be setting yourself up to be fleeced.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
Also, please post some pics here so we can see the hoard
Canadian coins are sleepers. Lots of varities and very low mintages. They should be more popular than they are.
Look for 1948 silver dollars. They would be $1000ish in AU.
<< <i>From that list, it doesnt look like 70k to me, more like 20-30 >>
and only if he didn't accidently buy any counterfiets.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I would definitely be interested in the gold Indian quarter and half eagles when ready to sell. All common dates but exactly what I like to collect (coins with traceable history
<< <i>The list i posted was only about 1/5 of the coins he has. Also, all the these coins were bought pre 1960, except for the ones that are dated after 1960. Were there counterfeits way back then? >>
There were a bunch of Quarter and Half eagles counterfeited in south america in the 40's and 50's. No clue on the others. It would be worth it for the more expensive coins to at least have them authenticated. (Maybe a bulk run at ANACS?)
The 1989 book prices were at the time, very optomistic. This was due to the large promotion of all "investment grade" numismatic items being encapsulated by third party grading services. The stock market was preparing to divert large sums of money. It never happened to any noticable degree (the gulf war took care of that in a hurry). Unfortunately, no book or retail price guide ever bought any coins at the prices they list.
You will get quite a (hopefully not too discouraging) education in trying to sell this accumulation. Most of the "name" dealers you contact will not want most of it.
I would recommend you contact Littleton Coin Company in New Hampshire. They deal with this sort of stock all the time.
What you choose to do is entirely in your control. Good luck.
WS
Same goes for any Cameo or DCAM special mint set coins from 65-67.
<< <i>I would recommend you contact Littleton Coin Company in New Hampshire. They deal with this sort of stock all the time. >>
They would be a last resort in my book-Littleton. I'd go ANACS with the key date stuff and then sell on ebay. Some of the rolls of common date silver might just be better to sell off for silver value, the price of silver is up now. One series that in my opinion thats doing real good now are the Lincolns, there are some better dates for the early years that jump up there in the better grades- and dealers themselves are always looking to have in stock- especially with 2009 coming up.
Posting a few representative images will provide a wealth of critical feedback.
Here's hoping that there are capped bust halves in the collection!
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
If you have a digital camera, start posting pictures of some of the stuff. Post your general location and you'll get PMs with offers to help locally. I would not go through Littleton, as suggested, out of principle, since they specialize in selling to the under-educated market for multiples that would make TV coin salesmen blush.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
<< <i>As far as I recall, the inflated 1989 values were for "investment grade generics," none of which I see listed here. Stuff like AU $2 1/2 Indians (which may grade MS62 today) and Morgan dollars graded MS60 didn't crash as hard as the MS63-65 grades. Big copper in 1989 was cheap compared today. Same for key date circulated Morgan dollars. The big wildcard is the commemorative halves. If he used MS65 values in 1989, the New Rochelle, Iowa, and Antietam add up to $3225 (using Harry Laibstain's 1995 book), while the MS63 values added up to $990. Fast forward to today's Coin World price guide, and you get a total of $1775 in MS65 and $1465 in MS63. One could say the 1989 crash was a bifurcated one.
If you have a digital camera, start posting pictures of some of the stuff. Post your general location and you'll get PMs with offers to help locally. I would not go through Littleton, as suggested, out of principle, since they specialize in selling to the under-educated market for multiples that would make TV coin salesmen blush. >>
Thanks, I will try to get some pics as soon as i can. Also the commerative coins, he used EF40 prices when he priced them, but they are all in better condition than that. So they are probably worth a lot more.
The panda andfamous american gold coins are just bullion coins--someone can please correct me on this if i am wrong , because i just inherited some myself. JMO. Bob
They once handled something like 200,000 circulated buffalo nickels. They have dealt in mass quantity items such as GSA Dollars, and proof sets by the thousands. I didn't go into the business details of their operation. It was just a recommendation to contact them - nothing more.
Yes, but that doesn't mean that there can't be some much better things in the collection, far better than described. For example, I can't begin to count the number of Indian Quarter Eagles that I've seen called XF that would slab 63 or better. And 60 classic commems could be anything from mail order slop to Registry Treasure.
Bottom line is that someone sharp needs to look at the coins before the coins can be sold.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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<< <i>The panda andfamous american gold coins are just bullion coins--someone can please correct me on this if i am wrong , because i just inherited some myself. JMO. Bob >>
The 1982 1 oz. Panda is a rare coin. Something like $2000, I think.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
You already have been given good advice.
Get help finding a trusted dealer or maybe, depending on your area and how you feel, a trustworthy forum member (you could always meet in a bank's vault to feel safer).
Listing is good. PICTURES are even better (though, it takes a little practice and you can't 100% grade by a picture, though counterfeits can often be spotted by a picture).
Also, if the grades are the ones written, they are likely wrong. If your grandfather did it, back then, and was conservative, times have changed and grades seem to have softened (from what some of these old timers around here have said
Get help or bone up a lot on coins and gradings. Get the keys authenticated. If no problems, go PCGS. If scratched/cleaned/etc, then go ANACS.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
shop those coins around to at least 5 different dealers before
selling a single one.
over 30 ounces total @ 783 wow
<< <i>I would recommend you contact Littleton Coin Company in New Hampshire. They deal with this sort of stock all the time. >>
Littleton will rip you off.
Remember the old advice............save the best....sell the rest.
Dump....................
Gold Panda
Both 1oz and ½ oz from each year 1982-1990.
US Gold Famous Americans
1980 –Grant Wood and Marian Anderson
1981- Mark Twain and Willa Cather
1982- Louis Armstrong and Frank Lloyd Wright
1983- Robert Frost and Alexander Calder
1984- Helen Hayes and John Steinbeck
Steve
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It looks like you are doing the right thing by taking your time and learning about the key dates.
<<Just the gold alone is worth over 22k over 30 ounces total @ 783 wow>>
And that is if the gold is sold for melt. Some may be more valuable.
Hey are we calling dibs on these coins?
<< <i>Sell of the bullion gold and take your time on the rest.
Remember the old advice............save the best....sell the rest.
Dump....................
Gold Panda
Both 1oz and ½ oz from each year 1982-1990.
US Gold Famous Americans
1980 –Grant Wood and Marian Anderson
1981- Mark Twain and Willa Cather
1982- Louis Armstrong and Frank Lloyd Wright
1983- Robert Frost and Alexander Calder
1984- Helen Hayes and John Steinbeck >>
Bad advice....Actually I'd sell the bullion last, sell everything else first. It will take you a few months anyway. Golds on a tear, you'll probably increase your profits the longer you wait. First thing to sell would be all your low grade common date widget coins. And get all the key dates slabbed as already mentioned.
Keep the most valuable and rare stuff...
Best advice...
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
Over 20k in melt alone (just from the gold). At least 10 more from the silver.
This is just 1/5 of the total collection. $70k then might be $100-200 now depending on what else there is. Sounds like this fifth is well over $50k.
"Gold Panda
Both 1oz and ½ oz from each year 1982-1990.
US Gold Famous Americans
1980 –Grant Wood and Marian Anderson
1981- Mark Twain and Willa Cather
1982- Louis Armstrong and Frank Lloyd Wright
1983- Robert Frost and Alexander Calder
1984- Helen Hayes and John Steinbeck
US Gold Coins:
US $20
1904 AU, 1910 AU, 1923 EX
US $10
1881s EX, 1915 AU
US $5
1900 AU, 1904 UNC, 1909D EX, 1909D AU, 1909 EX, 1911S EX, 1909S EX, 1909D EX, 1909 AU
US $2.5
1908 VF, 1927 EX, 1909 EX, 1908 VF, 1909 EX, 1915 AU, 1927 AU, 1913 EX, 1913 EX, 1929 AU, 1925D, 1929 AU, 1911 AU, 1908 VF
US $1
1857 VF, 1856 EX, 1861 AU, 1854 TY. 2 FV, 1903 Lousiana Per. Mckinly"
1. make a database of what you have
2. contact some of the senior members of the board who are in your area to help you decide on what routes you want to take with the coins....there is no "general" venue, it's always good to get 2 or more sets of eyes on what you have.
3. post pics....we can help if you are on the edge of a decision or have questions regarding either authentication or if you would like to get a consensus on any particular coin.
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.