Ebay smacked us today

mrearlygold · October 25, 2007 4:24AM

eBay Listing Removed: Circumvention of eBay Fees (=LS &12362 JM154592605)

Dear ,

You recently listed the following listing:

320174565982 - 1889-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS61 - UNC
320174561596 - 1883 SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC - MS63 - UNC
320174560341 - 1883 SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC - MS62 - UNC
320174582191 - 1898-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS64 - UNC
320174557551 - 1883 SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS
320174568896 - 1892-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS62 - UNC
320174559251 - 1883 SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC - MS61 - UNC
320174578275 - 1896-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS63 - UNC
320174573721 - 1894-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS62 - UNC
320174570128 - 1892-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS63 - UNC
320174580868 - 1897-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS65 - UNC
320174564322 - 1886 SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC - MS61 - UNC
320174583335 - 1899-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS65 - UNC
320174572272 - 1894-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS61 - UNC
320174577139 - 1896-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS64 - UNC
320174563067 - 1886 SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC - MS62 - UNC
320174579707 - 1897-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS64 - UNC
320174567060 - 1890-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS62 - UNC
320174571281 - 1893-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS62 - UNC
320174575119 - 1895-B SWITZERLAND GOLD COIN 20 FRANCS - NGC MS62 - UNC

The listing was removed because it violated the eBay Circumvention of eBay Fees policy. The violation occurred when you included the following information in your listing:

Quantity orders welcome, want lists aggressively and confidentially serviced.

All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has
been canceled.

Using systems and techniques to circumvent, or avoid, eBay fees is not permitted. Fee avoidance, or "circumvention," is damaging to the online marketplace, disadvantages sellers who pay their fees, and damages members’ trust.

Offering buyers the opportunity to purchase an item or other merchandise outside of eBay is considered a form of fee avoidance.

For more detailed guidelines about off-eBay sales, please visit:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html

For more information on the eBay Circumvention of eBay Fees policy, please go to:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-circumventing.html

Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account privileges and account suspension.

For more information on why eBay may remove listings, please visit:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/listing-ended.html

For more information on how you may ensure a successful listing in the future, visit:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html

Thank you for your understanding.

Sincerely,

eBay Trust & Safety

Hoo boy, there goes a couple hours

Can we still show how many we have available?

pharmer · October 25, 2007 4:26AM

Again? What was that deal they did last week that you posted about? They have it in for you or something?

mrearlygold · October 25, 2007 4:29AM

<< Again? What was that deal they did last week that you posted about? They have it in for you or something? >>

Maybe

Barry · October 25, 2007 4:31AM

Bad boy!

CarlWohlforth · October 25, 2007 4:37AM

<<Can we still show how many we have available?>>

No, not unless you only show how many are available through eBay.

mercurynut · October 25, 2007 4:38AM

Ebay is becomming the Nazi control freaks of online auctions!

19Lyds · October 25, 2007 4:46AM

Naughty Naughty Naughty!

mozeppa · October 25, 2007 4:54AM

hi ...I'm from eBay....

what? you have other stuff that you can sell?
and you say you'd like to help people locate other stuff they ( might ) want?

WELL! ... WE'LL HAVE NONE OF THAT!!!!......unless we get our cut!

coinpictures · October 25, 2007 4:56AM

eBay has become way to big for its britches.

pharmer · October 25, 2007 4:56AM

eBay victimology is getting to be a big business around here. Figure out how to cash in and you're jake.

unknowncomic · October 25, 2007 4:57AM

NO SOUP FOR YOU

mrearlygold · October 25, 2007 4:57AM

<< NO SOUP FOR YOU >>

Bochiman · October 25, 2007 4:59AM

<< Ebay is becomming the Nazi control freaks of online auctions! >>

Not really, at least, not based on this. That has been a policy of theirs for a LONG time.

This rule is nothing new.

IrishMike · October 25, 2007 5:01AM

That's been a no-no for a very long time. Tom you need to be held back to take ebay 101 again.

PerryHall · October 25, 2007 5:03AM

Does eBay go looking for this stuff or did someone report you?

mrearlygold · October 25, 2007 5:05AM

<< Does eBay go looking for this stuff or did someone report you? >>

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That's a good question!

However if they actually reviewed every listing there would be a slight downturn in listings, especially from China.

sinin1 · October 25, 2007 5:11AM

they pulled one of my auctions last week

payment terms ->

cash, money order, check, paypal

I had a typo on the first word, it clearly was supposed to be cashier's check

they pulled it within 5 hours of listing,

the funny thing was, I had 6 more auctions running that all had the identical terms

so not sure if their computer finds these problem(?) auctions - or if they randomly check new ones posted by some eBay customer service rep in some 3rd world country getting 25 cents per hour

Rampage · October 25, 2007 5:11AM

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<< Does eBay go looking for this stuff or did someone report you? >>

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That's a good question!

However if they actually reviewed every listing there would be a slight downturn in listings, especially from China. >>

I'd be willing to bet that someone reported his auctions. I've seen hundreds of auctions with statements such as that and they never get pulled. So, that begs the question, MrEarlyGold, who did you tick off?

mrearlygold · October 25, 2007 5:13AM

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<< Does eBay go looking for this stuff or did someone report you? >>

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That's a good question!

However if they actually reviewed every listing there would be a slight downturn in listings, especially from China. >>

I'd be willing to bet that someone reported his auctions. I've seen hundreds of auctions with statements such as that and they never get pulled. So, that begs the question, MrEarlyGold, who did you tick off?

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Probably the fellow whose listings are 10%+ higher than ours

mrearlygold · October 25, 2007 5:14AM

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<< Does eBay go looking for this stuff or did someone report you? >>

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That's a good question!

However if they actually reviewed every listing there would be a slight downturn in listings, especially from China. >>

I'd be willing to bet that someone reported his auctions. I've seen hundreds of auctions with statements such as that and they never get pulled. So, that begs the question, MrEarlyGold, who did you tick off?

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Probably the fellow whose listings are 10%+ higher than ours

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In about 2 hours, let the joust begin.

fc · October 25, 2007 5:17AM

it happens to all of us. my last was because i put a link to the
website where i bought it for people to reference the specs.

just do not do it again or try to reword it so it is not so blatant.

my last example, i just cut and pasted the whole website text
into the auction. voila.

BobGreene · October 25, 2007 5:20AM

<< In about 2 hours, let the joust begin. >>

I can't wait! Can I bring popcorn?

mrearlygold · October 25, 2007 5:22AM

<< 

<< In about 2 hours, let the joust begin. >>

I can't wait! Can I bring popcorn? >>

Have some of mine Bob

poorguy · October 25, 2007 5:26AM

<< NO SOUP FOR YOU >>

AAAAHHAHAHAAA HA HA.

I was thinking the same thing.

Me: Why again do we have to put images of the reverse of the slabs in the auctions?
eBAy: We can't tell you. NO SOUP FOR YOU!

options26 · October 25, 2007 5:29AM

"Quantity orders welcome, want lists aggressively and confidentially serviced"

Instead write a statement that says "Quantity orders welcome, want lists aggressively and confidentially serviced. We would be happy to run a special auction on ebay to fulfill any of your needs"

VicThrust · October 25, 2007 5:37AM

I have a friend who just got busted shill bidding. He had a hag on Ebay in 70 and he was getting no action (he feels it is the new search thing) - so he bid a high price on the item so he could keep it and relist at a later date. No problem right. Not so.

He then asked for a final value fee refund because the sale terms were not acceptable. They busted him.

He probably would have never had a problem if he did not ask for the fee back. Taking money or business away from Ebay is a no - no.

I will translate part of your Ebay Notice:

<< Using systems and techniques to circumvent, or avoid, eBay fees is not permitted. Fee avoidance, or "circumvention," is damaging to the online marketplace, disadvantages sellers who pay their fees, and damages members’ trust.

Offering buyers the opportunity to purchase an item or other merchandise outside of eBay is considered a form of fee avoidance.
>>

Translation: How dare you try to make money without giving us our cut. Try it again and we will break your legs.

notwilight · October 25, 2007 5:42AM

I sometimes make similar offers in my auctions but I always refer to listing them on ebay. For example, "I also have the 2007 PCGS PR70DCAM buffalo. Please let me know if you're interested in a matched pair and I will list it for you."

--Jerry

Russ · October 25, 2007 5:58AM

<< So, that begs the question, MrEarlyGold, who did you tick off? >>

Probably the fellow whose listings are 10%+ higher than ours >>

That is frequently the case when eBay ends auctions for petty crap. There are plenty of slimeball sellers who use the report this auction tactic to hurt competitors.

Russ, NCNE

doh · October 25, 2007 6:08AM

<< I have a friend who just got busted shill bidding. >>

Hey, Vic, who's your friend? I want to make sure I don't bid on any of his auctions. I can't believe he tried to get his FVF back...

RareBronzeCollector · October 25, 2007 6:36AM

<< Hoo boy, there goes a couple hours

Can we still show how many we have available? >>

Try typing "Quantity orders welcome, want lists aggressively and confidentially serviced." (and/or whatever you want to put in the listing) and your email/phone/etc into a graphic image, instead of straight text.....Then link to that graphic image via html coding... That way, if ebay is electronically trolling for "violations", it's less likely to be found.......

No guarantees, but it's worth a shot

On another tack, you would probably be better off (although less likely to be read), putting this information and/or links to your website on your ABOUT ME page, where I believe, unless their 'commandments" have changed, such link are permitted....

sonoranmonsoon · October 25, 2007 6:46AM

<< That's been a no-no for a very long time. Tom you need to be held back to take ebay 101 again.

>>

You are quite correct. Fee avoidance has been a no no for as long as I can remember. You can not use ebay to to solicit sales off their system. Even their own pro-stores can not be advertised in a listing. Anyone who sells on ebay should be aware of this. Nothing personal, but anyone who does that, should expect their listings to get removed eventually when ebay is made aware of it.