These fires are such a horrible thing. I have been praying for everyone there. Yes, if you aren't gone - get that way now. I have been wondering if terrorists started those fires. We had the same kind of thing in our area last year due to a very severe drought - but nothing nearly of that capacity. It is very scary.
<< <i>I believe inland Maine and VT, and NH may now be the best places to live on the entire eastern half of the US.
Maine has plenty of fresh water. I have been sort of eyeing the possibility of getting something up there for summer living.
A town called Bethel, ME has been very endearing to me. It seems to have all of what I like in New England. Right by the Androscoggin river. Only 20 miles from the New Hampshire border. Bethel, ME may be better known by the resort area it is in called Sunday River. It is also the home of a very well known private boarding school. >>
Been there done that, try blizzards, ice storms, and floods! not to mention mud season and black flies.
PEACE! This is the first day of the rest of your life.
P.S. 19Lyds, it's not really blaming someone in this case, it's a play on words so-to-speak. I couldn't tell if you realized the difference at first. These are references to two actual fault lines in the Earth.
San Andreas in CA Balcones in TX
I applaud the CA authorities in having a good game plan, i.e. Qualcom arrangements. This is directly opposed to New Orleans, who basically took no "pride in ownership" so-to-speak, and just counted on the federal government to bail them out. I know where I'd feel safer living!
Edit spelling >>
Are you serious? No pride in ownership?!? I drove my school's athletic bus to help evacuate the Superdome--40 people on my bus who had NO MONEY, NO CAR, AND NO PAYCHECK as Katrina hit at the end of the month. They had spent 4 days in 95 degree Louisiana heat with no electricity, running water, toilet facilities, or police protection in the most ungodly conditions possible. Unlike California, there was NO WAY IN OR OUT of the city of New Orleans at that point, other than one bridge to an equally devastated parish that had no facilities to offer itself. For many of these guys their homes were the ONLY thing that mattered-and they were destroyed. I get SO FREAKING TIRED of cheap shots and gross stereotypes and misrepresentations of what happened in New Orleans. It makes no sense to me that somehow there are people who make themselves feel smug and superior by trashing people caught in a desperate situation who happen not to have the financial resources others of us are lucky enough to have. I feel terrible for the people caught in the firestorms in California, and pray that the loss of life and property will soon end.
"College men from LSU- went in dumb, come out dumb too..." -Randy Newman
NHS, I'm not talking about what New Orleans did after the fact. Those were heroic times. Too many were left to be heroes, not by their choice. I'm talking about what the city did to prepare for the protection and evacuation of the people BEFORE the incident. In my book, if you're proud of the city you built, you provide for protecting it and the people adequately. That's what I mean by pride of ownership. It's a very all-encompassing ideal few can imagine.
I haven't read the other replies, but here are my two cents...
If people have time to think about and save their coin collections, they're extremely lucky. Yes, some coins may be ruined in these fires, but think about it, in the grand scheme of things, coins aren't at all important. Life and memories take significant precedence over collectibles.
Our politicians seem very concerned about getting enough TV time
and telling us how wonderful they are and how thankful we should be.
Do we really need to see the governor or Bush flying around looking at the fire(s)? I guarantee that on the news tonight you will see Bush trying to comfort someone who has lost their home (as if he really cares). Got to do the usual PR stop in a disaster and then back to Washington.
<< <i>Do we really need to see the governor or Bush flying around looking at the fire(s)? >>
YES!!! If Bush didn't go out there to inspect the damage, the liberal media and the democrats would criticise him for not caring enough and for being insensitive.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Better to have Bush flying around in a helicopter looking at fires, where he can do no further harm, rather than back in the White House plotting his next debacle.
I saw a brief news account that showed a guy going through his burned out home and there was a pile of fused pocket change. You couldn't tell how big it was since it was mostly buried but it wasn't little.
I just point it out to remind that things don't last. Our time is never limitless and it truly does fly.
<< <i>Do we really need to see the governor or Bush flying around looking at the fire(s)? I guarantee that on the news tonight you will see Bush trying to comfort someone who has lost their home (as if he really cares). Got to do the usual PR stop in a disaster and then back to Washington. >>
Bush probably cares more then you Mich!
Getting back to the title of this thread, it is a shame that people lost their belongs and so coin collection had to be among them, hopefully everthing was insured.
It is funning that no matter what Bush had done, the Liberal still would have complained either he did go or that he didn't go.
<< <i>Our politicians seem very concerned about getting enough TV time
and telling us how wonderful they are and how thankful we should be.
Do we really need to see the governor or Bush flying around looking at the fire(s)? I guarantee that on the news tonight you will see Bush trying to comfort someone who has lost their home (as if he really cares). Got to do the usual PR stop in a disaster and then back to Washington. >>
The way I see it, journalists are the professionals required to relate information in a timely and organized fashion to the general public. News conferences for events like these should be with the people with first-hand understanding of the issues: perhaps the fire chiefs but not governators or city managers. It shouldn't be a matter of answering questions based on secondhand information gleaned from internal briefings delivered ultimately by folks that do not necessarily have the proper perspective and intimate appreciation of the details. I don't care if they want to claim some public trust oneupmanship or intergovernmental statement liability. The fact is the journalist is the professional when it comes down to assembling the facts and presenting them in an organized and digestible fashion. For details in their assembly of questions that arise, emergency service coordinators and directors far exceed paoliticians in addressing them.
Politicians are the ambulance chasers here, with no distinction of party affiliation. Their personal concern, genuine or political capital efficient, is entirely irrelevant and distracting. IMHO, their place is in the aftermath to present fresh public policy and similar reactive gestures. Would I feel Bush or Arnold were insensitively detached if they failed to appear? Not any more or less than I would otherwise. They can assess the need to send in the guard or FEMA with a simple phone call and a half hour of TV viewing. Pumping you up at the stadium diaspora is a waste of time, effort, gasoline, and TV news airtime. That is not his job. We didn't hire him to be a cheerleader or group therapist, nor is he specifically qualified for either (though el presidente might be for one of the jobs). There is some time for some of that when they are retired. They can maybe build houses for poor folks in their spare time, even when the TV cameras are gone.
Comments
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>We Californians have never seen anything so vast in
area and so devastating in its severity. Many of us who
have not lost our homes ,have lost cable, power, water
no mail. I have taken many a pleasant trip to San Diego
it must now resemble San Francisco after the 1908
earth quake and fire. Roads are in flux, open, closed,
open and closed again. As usual FEMA has not arrived yet.
Our politicians seem very concerned about getting enough TV time
and telling us how wonderful they are and how thankful we should be.
The firemen have been great but as for the politicians, they can all burn
in the fire. >>
Bear --- Why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel!
Tuesday October 23, 2007 11:39 AM (NEW!)
These fires are such a horrible thing. I have been praying for everyone there. Yes, if you aren't gone - get that way now. I have been wondering if terrorists started those fires. We had the same kind of thing in our area last year due to a very severe drought - but nothing nearly of that capacity. It is very scary.
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=614860&STARTPAGE=3
<< <i>We Californians have never seen anything so vast in
area and so devastating in its severity. Many of us who
have not lost our homes ,have lost cable, power, water
no mail. I have taken many a pleasant trip to San Diego
it must now resemble San Francisco after the 1908
earth quake and fire. Roads are in flux, open, closed,
open and closed again. As usual FEMA has not arrived yet.
Our politicians seem very concerned about getting enough TV time
and telling us how wonderful they are and how thankful we should be.
The firemen have been great but as for the politicians, they can all burn
in the fire. >>
This is why you are a wise old bear, well said!
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
<< <i>I believe inland Maine and VT, and NH may now be the best places to live on the entire eastern half of the US.
Maine has plenty of fresh water. I have been sort of eyeing the possibility of getting something up there for summer living.
A town called Bethel, ME has been very endearing to me. It seems to have all of what I like in New England. Right by the Androscoggin river. Only 20 miles from the New Hampshire border. Bethel, ME may be better known by the resort area it is in called Sunday River. It is also the home of a very well known private boarding school. >>
Been there done that, try blizzards, ice storms, and floods! not to mention mud season and black flies.
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
<< <i>It's Balcones fault!
P.S. 19Lyds, it's not really blaming someone in this case, it's a play on words so-to-speak. I couldn't tell if you realized the difference at first. These are references to two actual fault lines in the Earth.
San Andreas in CA
Balcones in TX
I applaud the CA authorities in having a good game plan, i.e. Qualcom arrangements. This is directly opposed to New Orleans, who basically took no "pride in ownership" so-to-speak, and just counted on the federal government to bail them out. I know where I'd feel safer living!
Edit spelling >>
Are you serious? No pride in ownership?!? I drove my school's athletic bus to help evacuate the Superdome--40 people on my bus
who had NO MONEY, NO CAR, AND NO PAYCHECK as Katrina hit at the end of the month. They had spent 4 days in 95 degree Louisiana heat with no electricity, running water, toilet facilities, or police protection in the most ungodly conditions possible. Unlike California, there was NO WAY IN OR OUT of the city of New Orleans at that point, other than one bridge to an equally devastated parish that had no facilities to offer itself.
For many of these guys their homes were the ONLY thing that mattered-and they were destroyed. I get SO FREAKING TIRED of cheap shots and gross stereotypes and misrepresentations of what happened in New Orleans. It makes no sense to me that somehow there are people who make themselves feel smug and superior by trashing people caught in a desperate situation who happen not to have the financial resources others of us are lucky enough to have.
I feel terrible for the people caught in the firestorms in California, and pray that the loss of life and property will soon end.
-Randy Newman
-Randy Newman
P.S. luv your sig
"we're rednecks, we're rednecks..."
If people have time to think about and save their coin collections, they're extremely lucky. Yes, some coins may be ruined in these fires, but think about it, in the grand scheme of things, coins aren't at all important. Life and memories take significant precedence over collectibles.
and telling us how wonderful they are and how thankful we should be.
Do we really need to see the governor or Bush flying around looking at the fire(s)?
I guarantee that on the news tonight you will see Bush trying to comfort someone
who has lost their home (as if he really cares). Got to do the usual PR stop in a disaster and then back to Washington.
<< <i>Do we really need to see the governor or Bush flying around looking at the fire(s)? >>
YES!!! If Bush didn't go out there to inspect the damage, the liberal media and the democrats would criticise him for not caring enough and for being insensitive.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
CG
and there was a pile of fused pocket change. You couldn't tell how big it was since
it was mostly buried but it wasn't little.
I just point it out to remind that things don't last. Our time is never limitless and it
truly does fly.
<< <i>Do we really need to see the governor or Bush flying around looking at the fire(s)?
I guarantee that on the news tonight you will see Bush trying to comfort someone
who has lost their home (as if he really cares). Got to do the usual PR stop in a disaster and then back to Washington. >>
Bush probably cares more then you Mich!
Getting back to the title of this thread, it is a shame that people lost their belongs and so coin collection had to be among them, hopefully everthing was insured.
It is funning that no matter what Bush had done, the Liberal still would have complained either he did go or that he didn't go.
Some people just can't be pleased!
<< <i>Our politicians seem very concerned about getting enough TV time
and telling us how wonderful they are and how thankful we should be.
Do we really need to see the governor or Bush flying around looking at the fire(s)?
I guarantee that on the news tonight you will see Bush trying to comfort someone
who has lost their home (as if he really cares). Got to do the usual PR stop in a disaster and then back to Washington. >>
The way I see it, journalists are the professionals required to relate information in a timely and organized fashion to the general public. News conferences for events like these should be with the people with first-hand understanding of the issues: perhaps the fire chiefs but not governators or city managers. It shouldn't be a matter of answering questions based on secondhand information gleaned from internal briefings delivered ultimately by folks that do not necessarily have the proper perspective and intimate appreciation of the details. I don't care if they want to claim some public trust oneupmanship or intergovernmental statement liability. The fact is the journalist is the professional when it comes down to assembling the facts and presenting them in an organized and digestible fashion. For details in their assembly of questions that arise, emergency service coordinators and directors far exceed paoliticians in addressing them.
Politicians are the ambulance chasers here, with no distinction of party affiliation. Their personal concern, genuine or political capital efficient, is entirely irrelevant and distracting. IMHO, their place is in the aftermath to present fresh public policy and similar reactive gestures. Would I feel Bush or Arnold were insensitively detached if they failed to appear? Not any more or less than I would otherwise. They can assess the need to send in the guard or FEMA with a simple phone call and a half hour of TV viewing. Pumping you up at the stadium diaspora is a waste of time, effort, gasoline, and TV news airtime. That is not his job. We didn't hire him to be a cheerleader or group therapist, nor is he specifically qualified for either (though el presidente might be for one of the jobs). There is some time for some of that when they are retired. They can maybe build houses for poor folks in their spare time, even when the TV cameras are gone.
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Camelot
The news media will deconstruct reality and dwell
on that which is inconsequential.The fire men will directly
help, assist, protect, the utility crews will restore, rebuild
and assist, the National guard and police will protect, advise
support. The Red Cross will feed and offer support, volunteers
will offer food, care, help and assistance.But when it comes
to politicians seeing that direct, meaningful and immediate aid is
available, good luck. At most, you will be lucky to fill out some forms
get a hug or two from the Gov and Pres and then with a mighty Hi Ho Silver,
they are gone.
Camelot
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