Does this 1961 Proof Franklin Half have milk spots???
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<< <i>Russ, what's up with this one??
Is this an unusual happenstance??
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Yes, it has bigtime milkspots. Pretty common, actually, on late frankies and JFK's.
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It's always taken care of milk spots for me. Of course it's a lot tougher if the coin is already slabbed.
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<< <i>Mybe he stores them in the fridge next to the 2%!
Sorry, I couldn't resist..........
Lee, You are still pumped over your type 2 Ike......I understand!!!!!
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you might hate how they look, but the coin is not flawed or damaged.
yes, Ive owned pr70 washingtons with milk spots.
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I don't doubt that you owned some PR70 coins with milkspots. But I bet that the coins did not have the milkspots when it was graded. If you still have any, it would be an interesting experiment to send them back to PCGS to see if PCGS still graded them PR70 or if the grading guarantee would apply.
By the way, it's nice to see you back, even if it is only once in a while.
MoneyLA-----milk spots are NOT damage to the coin. you might hate how they look, but the coin is not flawed or damaged.
Mark-----But I bet that the coins did not have the milkspots when it was graded.
interesting comments taken as a group which is precisely why i commented earlier that what we're seeing here are almost certainly not Milkspots, an anomaly caused in the manner of a strike-through when a planchet isn't completely rinsed. the contaminant still on the planchet becomes part of the coin's surface after being struck. i also highly doubt that PCGS or NGC would certify a coin looking like that Washington as a PR69 or even the Franklin as a PR67, those spots almost certainly developed after being slabbed, the same for any PR69/70 coins which MoneyLA may have owned. a coin looing like these two proofs might even be BB'd for environmental damage.
what i believe we're seeing with the pictured coins is either the result of an improper dip rinse or some contaminant that wasn't evident at the time of grading, such as water droplets from a sneeze or someone's breath. it may even have been the grader, who can really tell.
I don't think those coins ever had milkspots - something happened to them after they were holdered.
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
My digital cameo album 1950-64 Cameos - take a look!
as a matter of fact, the last PR70 Washington with milk spots that I had I did try to return to PCGS for the guarantee.
But this was the "infamous" PR70 that was stolen by a postal employee in Orange County and turned up in an auction on the east coast. a member of the registry forum found the coin's auction, notified me, and I notified the postal inspector.
since the coin was sent registered, the postal inspectors were able to track down the postal worker, found multiple stolen coins (headed for PCGS) in his home.
I dont know what happened to the coin. the postal service insurance paid me... so the coin might still be with the postal service or perhaps they sold it on the open market in one of those "auctions" or perhaps its still in an evidence locker.
anyway, the issue about milkspots came up years ago and that is when I was told that milkspots can appear on PR70 coins... I have had several.
the one quarter I was returning to PCGS also had what appeared to be "rust" in addition to the milkspots, as well as some black marks.
As you know, at one time I have owned about one quarter of all the known pr70 silver washingtons.
I havent owned a PR70 since I sold my collection about 4 years ago.
cheers, Alan Mendelson
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<< <i>Cameonut-----When I see that 1962 quarter in a PCGS 69 holder, it leads me to believe that the coin did not look like that when graded
MoneyLA-----milk spots are NOT damage to the coin. you might hate how they look, but the coin is not flawed or damaged.
Mark-----But I bet that the coins did not have the milkspots when it was graded.
interesting comments taken as a group which is precisely why i commented earlier that what we're seeing here are almost certainly not Milkspots, an anomaly caused in the manner of a strike-through when a planchet isn't completely rinsed. the contaminant still on the planchet becomes part of the coin's surface after being struck. i also highly doubt that PCGS or NGC would certify a coin looking like that Washington as a PR69 or even the Franklin as a PR67, those spots almost certainly developed after being slabbed, the same for any PR69/70 coins which MoneyLA may have owned. a coin looing like these two proofs might even be BB'd for environmental damage.
what i believe we're seeing with the pictured coins is either the result of an improper dip rinse or some contaminant that wasn't evident at the time of grading, such as water droplets from a sneeze or someone's breath. it may even have been the grader, who can really tell. >>
Keets,
Great post..........thanks !
GB