The Number One Finest Set of All Time - CBHs for sale in auction

prenum · October 21, 2007 8:15AM

We have decided to sell our CBH collection. This collection is currently ranked by PCGS as "The Number One Finest Set of All Time", Capped Bust Half Dollars with Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1807 -1839).

We have spent many, many hours and spared no expense trying to find the most attractive AU58 example of each and every variety identified in the PCGS set. In our collection we also included an 1807 Bearded Goddess in VF30, and 1814 Single Leaf in AU55, an 1823 Tampered 3 in AU58 and an 1836/1336 in AU58. The set includes 60 coins in AU58 with most being, in our opinion, the most attractive example of the variety we've ever seen. Several of the lower graded coins could have been represented by a higher grade example but, again in our opinion, the coin already in the set was more attractive than any other we came across.

It's difficult to pick out our favorite coin but there are many that are absolutely superb. The 1807 Small Stars, the 1809 III (Prooflike), the 1812/1 Large 8 (the finest we've ever seen and definitely undergraded), the 1814 E/A, the 181.7.....we can go on and on!

The collection will be offered in auction at the Baltimore show next month (November). The sale will be conducted by Bowers & Merena auctions. We thought this was the fairest way to sell the coins as we have been approached by many of you with inquiries on the same coin. The coins can be viewed either on Bowers & Merena's website Bowers & Merena or on the PCGS Registry site Premium's CBH set.

Many of the coins will have reserves. We never looked at building this collection from a profit perspective. Any reserves will be simply to minimize our exposure through the sale.

Please call me to discuss any of the coins. We can provide larger photographs, personal descriptions, estimated values, etc.

Thanks for your support and good luck at the sale!

mozeppa · October 21, 2007 8:18AM

I don't mind.

fc · October 21, 2007 8:25AM

i am going to have to remember to use this place as advertising
when i sell my collection.

STONE · October 21, 2007 8:36AM

Good to know.

There has been a lot of Bust Half liquidating lately.

prenum · October 21, 2007 8:41AM

There has been a lot of Bust Half liquidating lately.

Really? I only know of an NGC registry set that Heritage sold privately at the beginning of the year. Other than that I know of no other collection selling in the past year. If anything, choice CBHs have been disappearing from the market.

What liquidaty are you refering to?

Unknown · October 21, 2007 8:43AM

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roadrunner · October 21, 2007 8:54AM

Toner Morgans and toner AU58 busties appear to have stalled a tad imo. What was hot a year or two ago does not stay hot forever.
It wasn't that long ago that LL was offering to pay $2000 for an AU58 1813 half. The fervor of the that period is not present today.

But no doubt these CBH's will get a wide audience with strong $$.

roadrunner

ScarsdaleCoin · October 21, 2007 8:55AM

I think its important enough to slide by the rule that a post like this belongs over at BST but many may not agree????????????????

bluespaceant · October 21, 2007 9:07AM

It is OK to spam your coins here in the U.S. coin forum if you do one of the following:

1. Make a joke about your auction. (my personal favorite)

2. Be a dealer who does so much business with PCGS that the dealer thinks that PCGS would be afraid to move their spam thread to the BST.

3. Post a picture of your coin(s) and then later casually mention that the coin(s) are for sale.

pontiacinf · October 21, 2007 9:19AM

take this to the BST

Im tired of people using the coin forum for personal gain

prenum · October 21, 2007 9:22AM

Post a picture of your coin(s) and then later casually mention that the coin(s) are for sale.

bluespaceant · October 21, 2007 9:26AM

You forgot the key part, later. But you probably come in under #2.

IrishMike · October 21, 2007 9:33AM

How dare someone mention a fine set for sale in the coin forum, it pushes all the ebay threads, the rubber chicken stories etc. off the first page.

Not a bad idea if the seller volunteers like this one to discuss the coins. I at least find these threads educational. Good luck on your sale.

pontiacinf · October 21, 2007 9:35AM

<< You forgot the key part, later. But you probably come in under #2. >>

could it be He is swimming in #2

oops, did I say that?

prenum · October 21, 2007 9:52AM

Gee, I didn't realize it was poor etiquette to make this post.

I thought that there might be a few out there that would enjoy the photos on the Registry.

It's only the finest of all time (actually the Friend set is better) and is 100% complete save for the 1817/4. I know there are varities included in the set that most on this forum have never seen, let alone owned.

As I said in my msg this is not a 'for profit' venture. The whole idea of assembling the set was to demonstrate that a choice AU set (PCGS AU58) could be assembled without breaking the bank.

pontiacinf · October 21, 2007 9:59AM

Im sorry, maybe I came off a little hard on you, but this really does belong on BST and would be of better service to you & the reg guys posted on the registry board.

Without a doubt, this set will sell on its own merits, as they are some really nice CHB's. However, when others see this post it may start an avalanche of similar posts.

its happened before.

Oh, did I mention, it is a really nice set

<<insert olive branch pic here>>

bluespaceant · October 21, 2007 10:03AM

<< How dare someone mention a fine set for sale in the coin forum, it pushes all the ebay threads, the rubber chicken stories etc. off the first page.

Not a bad idea if the seller volunteers like this one to discuss the coins. I at least find these threads educational. Good luck on your sale. >>

4. Make the description of your spammed coins educational. This can be done before or after mentioning that the coins are for sale, preferably before.

slumlord98 · October 21, 2007 10:05AM

<< It's only the finest of all time >>

It is a wonderful set of coins, and you certainly stepped up to land them, but finest of all time? Perhaps among PCGS registry sets, but there have been a number of sets that I'd consider finer, notably deOlden, Prouty, McClerg, Meyer, Brilliant.

Best of luck at the sale!

RYK · October 21, 2007 10:08AM

I do not mind much posting an advertisement for a set for sale on this forum, nearly as much as I mind suggesting that this is really the greatest set of bust halves of all time. Even though PCGS recognizes it as the finest ever registered set, it is an insult to our collective intelligence to intimate that there is anything "finest known" about it.

IrishMike · October 21, 2007 10:13AM

<< I do not mind much posting an advertisement for a set for sale on this forum, nearly as much as I mind suggesting that this is really the greatest set of bust halves of all time. Even though PCGS recognizes it as the finest ever registered set, it is an insult to our collective intelligence to intimate that there is anything "finest known" about it. >>

Please don't include me in the collective intelligence part of your post.

IrishMike · October 21, 2007 10:18AM

<< 

<< How dare someone mention a fine set for sale in the coin forum, it pushes all the ebay threads, the rubber chicken stories etc. off the first page.

Not a bad idea if the seller volunteers like this one to discuss the coins. I at least find these threads educational. Good luck on your sale. >>

4. Make the description of your spammed coins educational. This can be done before or after mentioning that the coins are for sale, preferably before. >>

5. Have a friend start a thread about your collection being sold and bump it numerous times.

MadMarty · October 21, 2007 10:22AM

<< How dare someone mention a fine set for sale in the coin forum, it pushes all the ebay threads,

<< the rubber chicken stories >>

etc. off the first page.

Not a bad idea if the seller volunteers like this one to discuss the coins. I at least find these threads educational. Good luck on your sale. >>

The rubber chicken has never posted a collection it was selling!!!!

TomB · October 21, 2007 10:23AM

Too bad I have already eaten dinner tonight as I have no appetite for Spam.

JRocco · October 21, 2007 10:30AM

We have seen quite the few self serving situations occurring on these boards.
And I bet that every single one of them thinks that THEIR situation was different and therefor OK.

Really sad, but I bet that every one of them has a sneaky suspicion that GAZILLIONS of
us have seen right through it and won't forget.

Well if they do think that............they would be right

Unknown · October 21, 2007 10:34AM

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MrEureka · October 21, 2007 10:37AM

For all it's worth, I want to hear about it when good coins are getting sold. Then again, these are only circs.

bidask · October 21, 2007 10:58AM

<< Good to know.

There has been a lot of Bust Half liquidating lately. >>

That is because they are overpriced.

bidask · October 21, 2007 11:01AM

I find it hard to believe this set was put together with no profit perspective, not that there is anything wrong with that attitude of course......but to hear that comment especially coming from dealers makes me wonder......

ColonialCoinUnion · October 21, 2007 11:05AM

Good luck with the sale Don -

Nysoto · October 21, 2007 12:55PM

I don't mind seeing announcements of sales. This post will have no effect on prices, those who chase AU58's will be aware of the sale without this notice. Its a nice redbook set that will no doubt realize strong prices.

<< "The Number One Finest Set of All Time", >>

In the bust half world, its a starter set with more than 350 varieties left to go. The finest and most complete bust half collections have never seen the registry. One of the best CBH sets of all time in terms of overall grade, quality, and completeness was recently sold (2006) in three major public sales - more than 400 varieties, most in MS grades.

Edscoin · October 21, 2007 1:09PM

<< As I said in my msg this is not a 'for profit' venture. The whole idea of assembling the set was to demonstrate that a choice AU set (PCGS AU58) could be assembled without breaking the bank. >>

Sure would break my little piggy bank.

options26 · October 21, 2007 1:56PM

Thanks for sharing the pics, I for one enjoyed looking at them. Good luck on the sale.

DMWJR · October 21, 2007 2:05PM

Nice coins Don! That makes up for allegations of SPAM! Maybe you could have posted in the Registry section which does allow for this type of post.

Ignore the whiners! Any good collector appreciates the info, and it far out weighs the spam value of the post.

pharmer · October 21, 2007 2:08PM

6. Say you're tired, and getting out of the game for a while, and won't be around much, and oh my coins are for sale here, and here, and here, and never leave, and buy more coins, and never leave again.

coinlieutenant · October 21, 2007 2:20PM

I see a lot of coins that I recognize. At least three that were in my set when I sold.

Having spent a bunch of time collecting and studying this series, I have to say that while it is impressive in its completeness, it is by far not the 'finest'. I can think of at least four or five right off the top of my head that are out there in circ grades that are superior to those listed, regardless if the grade is the same.

I love how I sent that 1818 in three times to get into a PCGS AU58 holder (it was a 55 when I sold it) only to end up later in the right holder. It used to be an ANACS 58, then a NGC AU58...now PCGS finally got it right.

prenum · October 21, 2007 2:53PM

Of course there have been and are better CBH collections. The terminology I use is what is used by PCGS. Currently this set is ranked by them as the all time finest CBH with varieties, 1807-1839. That's not the point. The real point is the coins, the varieties, their beauty, etc.

As usual on this forum the most vocal are those who are the most frustated and really have nothing to offer. I really don't care what these losers have to say. Hopefully this post will be of interest to the few real collectors who visit this forum.

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prenum · October 21, 2007 3:15PM

a bunch of the educated members

I guess that includes you.

mozin · October 21, 2007 3:15PM

I object to this thread being shown on the US Coin Forum. It bothers me because now I will need to bid against many more bidders, many of whom would not have been aware of the upcoming auction. Oh well, the cat is now out of the bag.

Sure hope this set is not now going up for auction because Prenum thinks the Bust Half Dollar market is about to drop.

prenum · October 21, 2007 3:38PM

I am a newbe who is not very educated in the hobby

If you don't know what you are talking about then why do you offer your uneducated opinion?

This is what is wrong with this forum. A bunch of people making noise that really don't have any experience but feel entitled to voice their opinion.

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TahoeDale · October 21, 2007 3:54PM

Bidask, mozin, and others who are concerned about the prices/values of the CBH series in AU grades:

Of course there are plenty of coins available in the grade range of AU thru AU 58, esp. for the dates after 1822. And those dates/varieties will not command any new higher than present market prices.

But there are semi-keys that don't show up very often in the earlier dates-- these coins, if nice for the grade, will continue to rise, IMO.

The 1807 lg and small stars, 1808/7, 1812/1 large 8, 1814/13, 1814 E/A. 1815, 181.7 punc. date, 1820 sq date, no knob, 1820/19, 1822/1.

And even a few later dates are not so easy to find nice.

The jury may be out on what range of prices the Premium coins will bring, but my money is on the large collector base that will be bidding- with fair to higher prices being realized.

Bochiman · October 21, 2007 4:02PM

<< a bunch of the educated members

I guess that includes you. >>

You goofed up and broke forum ettiquette and then, when called on it, instead of apologizing and taking the high road, you try to demean people.
Guess it WAS all about the money and that's all you care about, right?

Too difficult to apologize then post it on the BST and Registry forums? That IS what those forums are all about.

prenum · October 21, 2007 4:02PM

why don't you advertise your wares elsewhere

Any of the people on this forum that have any interest, or capacity, to buy coins out of this collection already knew about the auction. Therefore your (and others) assumption that this is an advertisement is ill founded.

Instead of ranting on about ebay, mint shipments and other 'serious' collecting issues, you might learn something by looking at some real coins.

Bochiman · October 21, 2007 4:08PM

<< why don't you advertise your wares elsewhere

Any of the people on this forum that have any interest, or capacity, to buy coins out of this collection already knew about the auction. Therefore your (and others) assumption that this is an advertisement is ill founded.

Instead of ranting on about ebay, mint shipments and other 'serious' collecting issues, you might learn something by looking at some real coins. >>

Thanks for pointing out that only YOUR definition of "real coins" is all that matters.
I can see by your postings that you have contributed a lot to these boards, right?

notwilight · October 21, 2007 4:30PM

<< For all it's worth, I want to hear about it when good coins are getting sold. Then again, these are only circs.

>>

I have to agree.

The problem is that much of our world today is rule based rather than principle based. In principle, many of us like to see a post like this. In rule, it is against the rules. I'm not bothered by an occasional and un-mailicious rule violation, especially if my principles are not compromised. But I also understand the improtance of rules in modern society.--Jerry

bluespaceant · October 21, 2007 5:03PM

<< Any of the people on this forum that have any interest, or capacity, to buy coins out of this collection already knew about the auction. Therefore your (and others) assumption that this is an advertisement is ill founded. >>

7. Deny that you are spamming your coins because your coins are so great that everyone who is anyone already knew they were for sale. (This leads to the obvious question about why you mentioned your coins in the first place, but don't bother with petty details like that.)

dorkkarl · October 21, 2007 7:35PM

i take issue w/ calling your set the "finest set of all time", a ridiculous statement. you may have the biggest pcgs numbers of all time, but thats about it. based on what you've posted so far, your set does not remotely approach being "the finest" ever assembled of cbh's

you say you spent "many hours" of time on finding coins, but some collectors have spent many DECADES - & still are'nt done yet

K S

SilverBaron · October 21, 2007 9:34PM

Personaly, I am happy for folks to point out when nice collections or pieces are comming up for sale. I believe that this was done tastefully and without over promotion. Several times folks have pointed out items that I wish I had know about sooner! Is this forum sooooooo busy that a few, NON-Price list, postings are jamming up the bandwidth?

I dont think so.

tydye · October 21, 2007 9:49PM

I agree not the appropriate place for such a post and I love CBH.

My set is ranked number 4 there but in reality I am not number 4 even in the county I live in. And i have the 15 and 7 and others as well just not in pcgs plastic. Lots of old time collectors near me.

I do wish you well on your sale of gorgeous halfs.

RBinTex · October 21, 2007 10:02PM

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The Number One Finest Set of All Time - CBHs for sale in auction

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