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A re-engraved 1868-S half dime on eBay - a heads up.

MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
This 1868-S Liberty Seated half dime is currently available on eBay, for a mere opening bid of $149.00:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1868-s-Liberty-Seated-Half-Dime_W0QQitemZ120172390623QQihZ002QQcategoryZ149930QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

What the lot description fails to mention is the severe re-engraving on the obverse, on the gown, Miss Liberty's lap, and even on the shield. It was common practice to use these San Francisco Mint half dimes as buttons during and after the Civil War, and this coin may have been so used, with an eyelet or loop soldered to the obverse. The eyelet has been removed, and someone has attempted to re-engrave the obverse details without much luck (or artistic talent). Armed with that knowledge, bidders should be wary of bidding on, or certainly paying such a high price for, a coin that has essentially lost all of its numismatic value from such practices.
They that can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither Liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,525 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LINK

    seller has perfect feedback, any chance the seller doesn't know?
  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,877 ✭✭✭✭✭
    and a bad job at it too
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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Might as well finish the job and make a love token out of it....
    You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sent an email to the seller.
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    It looks like the seller pulled the auction. A very bad re-engraving job. Thanks for the heads-up.
    Tom

  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sent an email to the seller. >>



    Ditto.
    I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector.
    Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,343 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It looks like the seller pulled the auction. >>

    I just got this messege in response to my email to the seller.

    "I am pulling it off eBay and sending it to ANACS so they can tell me what is wrong with it. I can not see what everyone is talking about. Thanks"





  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,525 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>It looks like the seller pulled the auction. >>

    I just got this messege in response to my email to the seller.

    "I am pulling it off eBay and sending it to ANACS so they can tell me what is wrong with it. I can not see what everyone is talking about. Thanks" >>



    with his great feedback, that's the response I expected.
  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    It would appear that the seller was not aware of the re-engraving, and was not trying to deceive. On the other hand, it would also appear that he is not familiar with the series, or with the original obverse design. That re-engraving is about as bad as I have seen. The good news is that now no one will be hurt by innocently bidding on that auction.
    They that can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither Liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,509 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It would appear that the seller was not aware of the re-engraving, and was not trying to deceive. >>



    Don't be so sure. Scammers frequently claim ignorance when they get caught.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    2371 sales with 100% positives, doesn't fit my idea of a scammer.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,509 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>2371 sales with 100% positives, doesn't fit my idea of a scammer. >>



    He may have made a mistake when buying this coin and is trying to unload it so he isn't left holding the bag. Or not. I don't know but I wouldn't want to assume one way or another based on the little information available.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I once posted a harshly cleaned 1864-S H10c for sale on Ebay. The obverse appeared to be weakly struck, and it was obviously heavily hairlined, so I accurately described it as such. Despite my best intentions, what I did not notice was that it used to be a button, and the coin was scrubbed to cover the marks where the solder/shank was removed. After receiving an angry email from a wannabe coin-cop who thought I was intentionally scamming people, I realized that there was more going on besides the cleaning, and updated the listing. The lesson to be learned is that not every one of these listings is a scam, and a polite email is often more appropriate than an unprovoked, full frontal assault on the seller.

    If you look at "S" mint H10c from the 1860's, there are a relatively high percentage (10-20% ?) that used to be buttons, and now have some damage or re-engraving on one side. If the "work" was done well, it may not be totally obvious at first, so examine any such coins carefully before purchasing, especially if the photos aren't the greatest.

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