Ebay: Why not "show ANA sellers only"?
Frankcoins
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Ebay is telling us what slabs we can sell, that we can't use numerical grades in the titles for raw coins, that it is more important to show a good picture of the plastic rather than a good picture of the coin, that we cannot mention retail or wholesale values of raw coins, or even the government issue price (I was told by a clueless ebay rep that mentioning that a 1963 Proof Set was issued at $2.10 was a violation unless ALL 5 coins were in approved slabs!)
And a crook can steal pictures of both sides of a slabbed coin (in an approved slab) from a dealer or auction website, collect the money, deliver nothing to the winning bidder, all while FULLY COMPLYING with ebay's new "trust and safety" rules.
Why doesn't Ebay offer a checkbox to "show only listings from ANA members"?
No seller would be forced to join the ANA. No buyer would be limited to buying ONLY from ANA members. Sellers could list coins as they best see fit, based on their experience and reputation.
Comments welcome.
And a crook can steal pictures of both sides of a slabbed coin (in an approved slab) from a dealer or auction website, collect the money, deliver nothing to the winning bidder, all while FULLY COMPLYING with ebay's new "trust and safety" rules.
Why doesn't Ebay offer a checkbox to "show only listings from ANA members"?
No seller would be forced to join the ANA. No buyer would be limited to buying ONLY from ANA members. Sellers could list coins as they best see fit, based on their experience and reputation.
Comments welcome.
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
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<< <i>Anybody with a little money can pay for a membership. That doesn't mean they know anything about coins. >>
ANA members are subject to mediation and disciplinary actions. A letter from the ANA that a someone has filed a complaint usually gets stuff made right pretty fast. But the ANA has no power to act against sellers who are not members.
CDN " Greysheet " Certified Market Indicator Listings. They have been doing this for over 30 years.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
In stark contrast to the ANA practices, the PNG carefully screens their applicants as does PCGS and NGC for dealers applying for authorized dealer status.
Authorized dealer for PCGS, PCGS Currency, NGC, NCS, PMG, CAC. Member of the PNG, ANA. Member dealer of CoinPlex and CCE/FACTS as "CH5"
<< <i>As long as there's an exclude ANA and PNG button for the rest of us who believe in free market competition... >>
Nice Credentials, thanks from my position for chiming in.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
<< <i>As long as there's an exclude ANA and PNG button for the rest of us who believe in free market competition... >>
This statement makes no sense. If you believe in free market competition, you wouldn't exclude anyone from consideration.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>ANA members are subject to mediation and disciplinary actions./q]
Like "Double Secret Probation?"
Until this garbage is completely banned from ebay for being fraudulent, the purveyors of this dreck will only be crippled a little.
I know this will probably not happen (lawsuits etc).
There are only too may eager buyers who either through greed or ignorance can't wait to fatten these sellers' wallets.
Amazingly, even after all the information released on this forum about the pitfalls of dealing with these shysters and their kitchen table slabs, there are still many forum members willing to try their luck in outwitting these jackals.
Whether or not you occasionally "win one", any dealing with them at all just helps to keep them in "business".
As one poster stated in a previous thread " The gullible will still find a way to inflict harm on themselves."
I would add to that " The greedy who believe they have a special talent for grading a coin from a juiced up picture will accomplish the same ends."
Meanwhile these charlatans with their 30,000 feedbacks will continue to laugh all the way to the bank. Dave W
David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com
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<< <i>As long as there's an exclude ANA and PNG button for the rest of us who believe in free market competition... >>
This statement makes no sense. If you believe in free market competition, you wouldn't exclude anyone from consideration. >>
Free markets require vigilant antitrust enforcement, something that is obviously severely lacking. So rather than exclude those who refuse to collude in your little anticompetitive scheme, there should be an option to exclude those who participate.
I don't need protection from myself. I need protection from you and your cohorts.
WTB: Barber Quarters XF
eBay is like a box of chocolates...
White Chocolate Only !
And don't think you can sweep this dirt under a "bearskin" rug, either. What eBay attempts to do vs. what they do (as implementing policy is concerned) are really two different things.
Remember: You can paint a turd, but it's still a turd ! eBay is not the best venue for U.S. Coins. It never was and it never will be !!! Excercising Control and excercising are not the same, Meg (in case she reads this... okay Mr Cobb, you too. Give your heads a shake, and your bellies, too)
Now before anyone flames me: I lost money with Half Eagle Indians in NGC holders that weren't properly graded. PERIOD ! (I'm a novice and my eyes saw it, but my hopes weren't dashed til I got the DNC from PCGS)
If NGC is not accepted into the PCGS registry set, why does the world see these two grading companies as equal ? ESPECIALLY on EBAY
Paintbrushes
Now I ain't saying the ANA or NGC is all bad and I ain't saying PCGS is all that good. I'm saying:
Free Market enterprise just took a serious kick in the nuts and them nuts run major corporations.
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ANA members are subject to mediation and disciplinary actions. A letter from the ANA that a someone has filed a complaint usually gets stuff made right pretty fast. But the ANA has no power to act against sellers who are not members.
Not True.
I did this against Beavertown at the time and filed a complaint with Kelly Kick of ANA. All they could do was forward my complaint to Dave Runfeldt of Beavertown who dismissed it saying he was an ANA member if fine standing and that the complaint was baseless. The ANA was powerless to go further because I was not also an ANA member. You can be assured that the majority of Ebayers are not ANA members and could not be protected by ANA. Frankly, this might be the only reason I could think of to be an ANA member. And even in light of that what power could they really apply?
The ANA has no power to act unless BOTH parties are ANA members.
And even so, you'd wonder what irrelevant discipline could be applied........you mean......expulsion from the ANA? No not that!
roadrunner
<< <i>...And a crook can steal pictures of both sides of a slabbed coin (in an approved slab) from a dealer or auction website, collect the money, deliver nothing to the winning bidder, all while FULLY COMPLYING with ebay's new "trust and safety" rules.
.....experience and reputation. >>
Meanwhile, I helped a guy on a siding job yesterday, got home and fell asleep on my couch.
and consequently missed the Omaha Coin Club monthly meeting again ....
I'm havin' a bad morning, sorry.
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<< <i>ANA Life member? Member of ICTA, FUN, NGC, PCGS, and about every other organization except PNG....describes Beavertown Coin just before they went cash poor and took me for a runaround for many many months and a 5 figure loss.
ANA members are subject to mediation and disciplinary actions. A letter from the ANA that a someone has filed a complaint usually gets stuff made right pretty fast. But the ANA has no power to act against sellers who are not members.
Not True.
I did this against Beavertown at the time and filed a complaint with Kelly Kick of ANA. All they could do was forward my complaint to Dave Runfeldt of Beavertown who dismissed it saying he was an ANA member if fine standing and that the complaint was baseless. The ANA was powerless to go further because I was not also an ANA member. You can be assured that the majority of Ebayers are not ANA members and could not be protected by ANA. Frankly, this might be the only reason I could think of to be an ANA member. And even in light of that what power could they really apply?
The ANA has no power to act unless BOTH parties are ANA members.
And even so, you'd wonder what irrelevant discipline could be applied........you mean......expulsion from the ANA? No not that!
roadrunner >>
Good effort and good post. Sorry it didn't work out but thanks for sharing the effectiveness of ANA mediation.
<< <i>...for the same reason we don't have all white schools. Oh wait.. eBay is going back to that policy, aren't they ?
eBay is like a box of chocolates...
White Chocolate Only !
And don't think you can sweep this dirt under a "bearskin" rug, either. What eBay attempts to do vs. what they do (as implementing policy is concerned) are really two different things.
Remember: You can paint a turd, but it's still a turd ! eBay is not the best venue for U.S. Coins. It never was and it never will be !!! Excercising Control and excercising are not the same, Meg (in case she reads this... okay Mr Cobb, you too. Give your heads a shake, and your bellies, too)
Now before anyone flames me: I lost money with Half Eagle Indians in NGC holders that weren't properly graded. PERIOD ! (I'm a novice and my eyes saw it, but my hopes weren't dashed til I got the DNC from PCGS)
If NGC is not accepted into the PCGS registry set, why does the world see these two grading companies as equal ? ESPECIALLY on EBAY
I would like to point to two recent examples that might prove your position wrong. I am certain there are others.
I recently won two Saints in a major auction. Both were graded ms 64 in PCGS holders. They looked so much like upgrades that I cracked them out and sent them to NGC.
It's difficult to describe the turbulence in my intestines when they both came back in body bags.
It really does occasionally work both ways. No slam on either service. Dave W
David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com
I have no position, per se, except that "Honesty is the best policy".
I took the loss on the sale of the Half Eagles on eBay starting them at a cent or a dollar... I don't remember.
Somewhere, the buck has to stop. If you get ripped off and you don't like the coin, it ain't nice ripping off the next guy so you don't lose out. This is the biggest problem in numismatics as I see it.
Whether PCGS, NGC, PCI, ANACS, ACG, SGS, NNC, NTC
checks and balances are there to maintain a standard. My standards do not change, only my sense of humor
Joe
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the ANA is a joke and its members are sad.
<< <i>Dear Walkerman,
I have no position, per se, except that "Honesty is the best policy".
I took the loss on the sale of the Half Eagles on eBay starting them at a cent or a dollar... I don't remember.
Somewhere, the buck has to stop. If you get ripped off and you don't like the coin, it ain't nice ripping off the next guy so you don't lose out. This is the biggest problem in numismatics as I see it.
Whether PCGS, NGC, PCI, ANACS, ACG, SGS, NNC, NTC
checks and balances are there to maintain a standard. My standards do not change, only my sense of humor
Joe >>
I've been spending some time trying to decipher your post. I'm having difficulty understanding the relevence of anything I've posted to this answer. I merely stated two examples of of NGC bodybagging two coins I cracked out from PCGS. This was meant to illustrate that sometimes either tpg doesn't see eye to on a given coin.
What does this have to do with "honesty is the best policy" passing the buck or "ripping off the next guy"
I didn't allude to any of those things.
There are no standards whatsoever and no checks and balances attached to ACG, SGS, NNC or NTC.
Anyone who buys one of these slabs expecting their grades to represent any kind of standard compared to PCGS and NGC are in for a rude awakening and bitter disappointment.
Anyone who buys a coin on ebay from a seller who refuses to accept returns with the hokey excuse that you are buying the opinion of the tpg should be wary that he is simply trying to unload some overgraded dogs that have been keeping him awake with their barking. And his super blurry pictures give you a chance to grade it yourself.
You won't be the first to lose money making what you thought was a safe buy because it was in a reputable holder and you won't be the last. Been there done that.
The top tier tpgs make mistakes too.
The difference is the the top tier tpgs don't do it deliberately. I can't say the same for the home slabbers.
With all due respect; when you listed the coins back on ebay were you not hoping someone would bid enough to get you off the hook? Dave W
David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com