Could this 180 degree rotated reverse coin be real? (Update 10/31)

moosesr · September 17, 2007 12:50AM

I saw this coin on ebay and wondered if it could be real, anybody have any ideas? I could not find any 180 degree rotated peace dollars in Heritage or Teletrade auction archives.

ebay link

Thanks,
Charlie

Shamika · September 17, 2007 12:55AM

First of all, it's not a true 180 degree rotation although it's pretty close.

Based on the position of the staples on the 2x2, the seller is correctly turning the coin to show the rotation properly. I've not heard of any Peace dollars haveing major rotation, but I've seen several 2-cent pieces with 180 degree rotation.

moosesr · September 17, 2007 3:30AM

He has another one listed!!! ebay link

seemyauction · September 17, 2007 3:36AM

sunheat seems to think its real, that was the buyer with a BIN at $325.00

I've never seen one.

AL

Steve27 · September 17, 2007 3:37AM

It's the same coin, which is interesting since he has a no return policy.

coindeuce · September 17, 2007 11:55AM

I would venture a guess that it's a "made" coin

I've searched for years through tens of thousands of circ. and BU Peace dollars. Never found one even close to 180 degrees. Best I ever owned was a BU 1922-P with 90 degrees CCW reverse.

CarlWohlforth · September 17, 2007 11:59AM

That looks way better than the 1804 dollar I have with a 180 degree rotated reverse.

Mostly the medal reverse fakes are very poor jobs. That is what I expected when I followed the link. The Peace dollar looks better than the fakes I'm used to, but still I would want to see the coin in person, weigh it, measure it, hear it drop on a table and so forth before I bid on it.

alpha480v · September 17, 2007 8:22PM

What are the chances that he would have 2 of the same date coins with this error? Something doesn't seem right about this auction to me.

Steve27 · September 17, 2007 8:39PM

" What are the chances that he would have 2 of the same date coins with this error? Something doesn't seem right about this auction to me."

It's the SAME coin.

alpha480v · September 18, 2007 7:12AM

<< <i>" What are the chances that he would have 2 of the same date coins with this error? Something doesn't seem right about this auction to me."

It's the SAME coin. >>

I understand that. I waas being sarcastic.

moosesr · September 19, 2007 5:22AM

The seller had another one of these for sale and I bought it. It arrived today... Looks like I will be sending it back. The coin looks real, but I weighed it on my postal scales and it weighed 0.8 oz whereas one of my other Peace dollars weighs 1.0 oz. I know my postal scales aren't real accurate, but since it weighed 0.2 oz less than one of my other Peace dollars I am going to send it back for a refund.
Auction Link

Thanks,
Charlie

skigropple · September 19, 2007 5:28AM

I hope you asked about his confusing return policy info listed in his auction-

Item must be returned within: 7 Days

Refund will be given as: Money Back

Return policy details: NO RETURN ON THIS ITEM

Jim

moosesr · September 19, 2007 5:41AM

I did ask and he said there is a return policy for a refund.

FredWeinberg · September 19, 2007 5:42AM

For what it's worth, I've seen 1922's and 1923's with this type of
rotation, and if he had a BU roll, it wouldn't be unusual to have
more than one of 'em in the roll.

Also, the coin appears to be genuine to me.

I wish I could have bought the one for $100 BIN..........

Fred

moosesr · September 19, 2007 5:46AM

Hi Fred,

What about the difference in weight from one of my other Peace dollars?

FredWeinberg · September 19, 2007 6:22AM

It all depends on how accurate your scale is.

There's a 6 grain tolerance on Silver Dollars.
(about .4 of a gram), so it sounds like your
coin is within tolerance.

moosesr · September 19, 2007 6:37AM

I don't know how accurate my scale is, but for comparison purposes I weighed 6 other Peace dollars and all weighed 1.0 oz. I also weighed a circulated Morgan and it weighed .9 oz.

So, maybe it would be worth keeping the coin and sending it in for grading and verfication that it is real?

Here is a link to a closeup of the coin.Link

FredWeinberg · September 19, 2007 8:38AM

Well, I don't like the looks of the coin in THAT scan......

Do you want to email me a few scans of the coin -
both sides, some close-ups....

It's hard to know for sure in the plastic 2x2, and I know
you don't want to remove it from the 2x2, but I'll be
glad to take a look at some new scans if you'd like.

coindeuce · September 19, 2007 9:14AM

Sure looks like a cast counterfeit to me. The lack of definition in the obverse devices is too compelling.

moosesr · September 19, 2007 11:55AM

Here's some more pictures:

Obv
rev
obv closeup 2
obv closeup 3

moosesr · October 31, 2007 5:25AM

I recently received a refund for the 180 degree rotated reverse Peace dollar I won on an ebay auction.

Since I won the auction for this rotated reverse coin, I have been in contact with the ebay seller discussing the possibility that the coin might be a replica of some kind. The seller told me he had several of these coins that he bought from an estate sale and that he had sent the rest of the coins to ANACS for grading and authentication. He recently received the other rotated reverse coins back from ANACS ungraded. ANACS put a N9 code on the grading sheet with no further explanation. I went to the ANACS site and could not find any reference for a code N9, Can someone tell me what a ANACS code N9 means?

Thanks,
Charlie

relicsncoins · October 31, 2007 5:37AM

<< <i>I recently received a refund for the 180 degree rotated reverse Peace dollar I won on an ebay auction.

Since I won the auction for this rotated reverse coin, I have been in contact with the ebay seller discussing the possibility that the coin might be a replica of some kind. The seller told me he had several of these coins that he bought from an estate sale and that he had sent the rest of the coins to ANACS for grading and authentication. He recently received the other rotated reverse coins back from ANACS ungraded. ANACS put a N9 code on the grading sheet with no further explanation. I went to the ANACS site and could not find any reference for a code N9, Can someone tell me what a ANACS code N9 means?

Thanks,
Charlie >>

N9 (altered coin, not genuine, questionable authenticity, etc)

Could this 180 degree rotated reverse coin be real? (Update 10/31)

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