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Two new SC$ arrivals from Baltimore including an Elder-berry!!!

keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
More nice examples of rare medals, both nice Mint State PL's with a charted course to NCS--NGC--back home--the BankBox for safe long term storage. I tried to get some angled shots to show exactly how reflective they are. The HK 829 is remarkable considering it's a Civil War Era copper medal and retains much of the original red color with an abscence of hairlines or evidence of cleaning. The only detraction is a small obverse spot at around 10-11 o'clock and some strike weakness at the centers of both sides. The Confederation Dollar is a primo Cameo PL with only some faint rim imperfections and the haziness which is typical of White Metal(Tin) strikings. This one is noticeably absent of the usual darkness or tin-pest often found. Enjoy.

Al H.

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  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sweet!
  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    VERY nice!
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,775 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I still think the CONFEDERATIO strike was made by Dickeson, not Elder.
    They are both in great condition.
    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hey there Captain, i'll defer to your opinion since you're the "Man" regarding Elder, i only wish there were more information to be found about the good Professor(or Elder, for that matter) which would help solve the mystery. while Hibler-Kappen gave their originator as Elder, the theme which tends to link them to the Centennial leans toward Dickeson. having not been able as yet to examine any of the Taft or Gold Basis Dollars, HK-798 through 819, i can't comment about any similarities either in the lettering or the planchets.

    do you have any information which caused Hibler-Kappen to initially list them as issued by Elder?? they clearly knew about Dickeson.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,775 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Elder owned several of Dickeson's dies and used them on some of his issues, and I guess that H-K just assumed that these were as well. However, the very thick white metal planchet used on this piece matches that on Dickeson's 1776 Continental Dollar, and is not known on any Elder pieces.
    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • Drool......
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    John
    Evergreen, Colorado

    cadmanco
  • GeminiGemini Posts: 3,085
    Wow very nice medals Keets...image
    A thing of beauty is a joy for ever
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    some grade updates.

    the HK-866 returned home awhile ago in an MS61PL holder, a point or two lower than i'd expected. the White Metal issues are sort of tough for me to estimate since the surfaces are so delicate. the haze/oxidation that develops and clouds the fields is what makes these Tin issues so special; finding the medals without any or with minimal hazing is quite difficult and i guess it robs them of some eye appeal in the eyes of the grader. the bottom line with this Gem and the holder isn't the grade, though, it's the stability/protection it affords for long term storage.

    the Aaron White Satirical Dollar, HK-829, went through NCS prior to a trip across the hall to NGC and back home. i thought that best in hopes of removing/stopping any carbon spotting which might eat away at the copper. the grade posted this morning at MS64RB which is surprisingly one point lower than my MS63RB/cleaned assessment(i assumed it would be BB'd and return in an NCS Net Graded holder). it should be interesting to see how they were able to remove that carbon spotting and how the process affected the overall appearance of this nice medal.
  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
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