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Half dime experts can you help me with this coin?

The coin in question is a 1829 half dime that I think is a 9 over 3 overdate. In the Cherrypickers' guide it is listed as a URS-2 I-5 L-5. Any more information will be helpful. Thank you

John
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,692 ✭✭✭
    give us a digi-pic of the rev for complete attibution, but it looks like obverse 3, which is lm-3, lm-4 or lm-9. dunno the equivalent fs #s, though. my guess would be 3 or 4, as 9 is a somewhat rarer dm.

    K S
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    Don't know much about the coin other than what is stated in the book. It is listed as a FS-H10-1829-301 (1/2-10c-000.1) with no other attribution.
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    Thank you.
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    richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    I don't have my book with me so I am useless as far as attribution goes........ although with my book I am MUCH better image

    It looks like a pretty coin with nice details. Congrats.
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    CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    Not sur eof the rarity and I don't have a CPG. Looks like a Valentine-2 though. (The motto vs USofA legend isn't right for a V-11.) Maybe look at ANACS pop report?
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    MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    Your 1829 Capped Bust half dime is an example of the LM-3, an R2 die marriage, meaning that there are presently 500 - 1000 examples known. The LM number is from the masterful Logan/McCloskey "Federal Half Dimes 1792 - 1837" reference, published in 1998. It was previously known as V2, from the Daniel Valentine reference published in 1931.

    This same obverse die was used in three die marriages for the year 1829, the LM-3, LM-4, and LM-9, which are R2, R3, and R5, respectively. (The LM numbers chronologically designate the emission order, or order of manufacture; LM-9 was minted after LM-4, which was minted after LM-3). The other die marriages (LM-4, LM-9) pair this obverse die with different reverse dies.

    This die marriage paired obverse die 3 with reverse die C, which is an example of the three pale gules reverse, meaning that there are three vertical lines in each stripe on the reverse shield. This was done to make the half dimes similar in appearance to the larger silver denominations, but was quickly abandoned after it was determined that the half dime was simply too small to provide that much detail; the vertical stripes would not strike up well, and are often seen blended together. The design was modified to include two pale gules early in 1829.

    Like many other half dime specialists, I am disturbed that the authors of the Cherrypicker's Guide chose to designate this obverse as an 'overdate', acting almost in a vacuum, without consultation with half dime specialists who could have provided additional insight. Had they consulted with Russell Logan or John McCloskey, or other half dime specialists, they would have learned that this is not an overdate, with the 9 punched over a 3, as listed in the Cherrypicker's Guide, but rather is simply a repunched 9, with the ball of the 9 strongly doubled. Close inspection of this obverse die, under a stereo microscope, reveals that the numeral 9 digit was simply repunched by the die sink to strengthen it, a rather common occurence considering that all of the numerals and letters were individually punched into each working die for this series. In proper numismatic terminology, this is what is called a 'repunched date', wherein the repunched numeral is the same numeral as the first, as opposed to an 'overdate', wherein the repunched numeral is a different numeral from the first. Indeed, there are no overdates in the entire Capped Bust half dime series.

    Since publication of the latest edition of the Cherrypicker's Guide, where this presumed 'overdate' was first listed, and its supposed (although grossly misrepresented) rarity was published, many dealers have attached a premium to this 'variety', which it truly does not deserve. It is just an R2 die marriage. In my own collection I have three examples of the LM-3 (AU-58, EF-45, EF-45), two examples of the LM-4 (AU-58, AU-50), and two examples of the LM-9 (AU-53, VG-10) (I have owned nine examples of this R5 marriage). None of these are an overdate, none exhibit a 9 over 3, and none deserve a premium for the repunched numeral. Rather than pay a large and undeserved premium for this misrepresented 'overdate', simply spend some time on any bourse floor and locate an unattributed example of this very common die marriage for a generic price.

    There is a rare die state (R7+) of the 1829 LM-3/V2 which exhibits a large full cud over IT of UNITED on the reverse. I own the ex: Reiver specimen, a nice EF-45 (NGC AU-53) which may be seen here:

    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?hdnJumpToLot=1&Sale_No=390&Lot_No=21961

    From your photograph it does not appear that your coin is the terminal die state, with the cud.

    I hope this provides some insight into your half dime.
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Thank you Mrhalfdime. I have nothing more to add.image
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    Wow !!! You asked for help. Great reply.
    JRH
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    Thank you very much Mr Halfdime for taking your timeout to educate me on this. I paid $205 for this AU example so I didn't pay a preminum for it. So I'm going to concluded that this is a 1829 repunch date and that it is a common variety coin. Thanks everyone for your assistance.

    Johnimage
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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 17,921 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cherry pickers guide sucks eggs when it comes to half dimes. Nuff said image

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