better error finds

silverpop · August 30, 2007 7:57AM

One of my better error coin finds is this 1882o double die cracked morgan , not a bad looking coin, despite the cleaning it had early in it's lifetime, and now it has a dull light gray tone on it which makes the coin look nice

Amazing thing is that the coin dealer i bought it from never even noticed the error till i brought it to his notice, still for $12.00 i'm not complaining

GoldenEyeNumismatics · August 30, 2007 8:09AM

IMHO die cracks don't qualify as errors, but instead are varieties. A die crack will appear on every coin struck by that pair of dies, therefore falling under the definition of a variety.

Some people will argue that since die cracks are unintentional, that makes them errors. I beg to differ. Although not intentional, Mint employees definitely know that they will happen.

I like the coin though

silverpop · August 30, 2007 8:27AM

Some people say that die crack are errors and other say they aren't, matter of opinion i gather

Now i'm just amazed that when the coin shop put the coin out they didn't look at it closely cause if the die cracks can be seen with the unaided eye then that tells me they didn't really care to notice them or were too busy to

people who have seen the coin in person say that it's a nice coin, but wonder how the coin got out of the mint with those noticeable die cracks

commoncents05 · August 30, 2007 8:32AM

Die cracks are not errors. As GoldenEye stated, they are varieties. A good read that describes the differences between the two is The Official Guide to Mint Errors by Alan Herbert.

-Paul

Cam40 · August 30, 2007 8:33AM

What about that die marriage as a VAM.
Or are VAMs neither variety or error?

errormaven · August 30, 2007 11:24AM

Dogmatism on the subject of what does, and does not constitute a die variety is unwarranted given the diversity of opinions that exist. I consider die cracks to be "die errors", just like die breaks, die damage, clash marks, severe die wear, overzealous die abrasion, etc. I reserve the label "die variety" for foul-ups in the design itself, e.g., doubled dies, repunched dates, repunched mintmarks, etc.

However, others disagree and that's fine with me. As long as you understand the nature and origin of the defect, that's all that matters. The umbrella category you file it away in is largely irrelevant.

silverpop · August 30, 2007 11:53AM

well i just put what i think is the right term for the problem on the coin, others may disagree and i do respect their opinions

Now i heard someone say die marriage and a VAM?

and i'm gathering they are talking about my double die crack morgan,

but my question is: does my morgan have a die marriage and could it be considered a VAM?

JRocco · August 30, 2007 12:05PM

For all its worth, I do not consider die cracks varieties or errors.
Die cracks are characteristics of a die at a particular period in time.

tahoe98 · August 31, 2007 6:06AM

<< <i>Some people say that die crack are errors and other say they aren't, matter of opinion i gather

Now i'm just amazed that when the coin shop put the coin out they didn't look at it closely cause if the die cracks can be seen with the unaided eye then that tells me they didn't really care to notice them or were too busy to

people who have seen the coin in person say that it's a nice coin, but wonder how the coin got out of the mint with those noticeable die cracks >>

or, they saw them and thought...............gee, looks like a 'defect coin' and i hope the buyer doesn't notice and expect some money to be knocked off!

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