Post a picture of a counterfeit Darkside coin...

MrEureka · August 16, 2007 2:26PM

If the coin is deceptive, tell us how you know it's fake.

Doogy · August 16, 2007 2:53PM

Andy,

here is a recent thread, where i highly suspected i had a cast/counterfeit Crown and promptly returned it to the seller:

click here for the original thread

bosox · August 16, 2007 3:13PM

Real coin, phony (post mint) error.

DCH · August 16, 2007 3:30PM

Hawaii quarter: cast counterfeit. Looks like fields were smoothed to hide porosity. Detail of raised metal in pic2. Casting bubble in pic3.

China 20c: cast counterfeit. Central details too sharp in relation to rest of coin, very porous.

Mexico 2c: struck? counterfeit. Mushy details, sharp rims. Sunken area surrounding each letter on reverse legend.

Blackhawk · August 16, 2007 4:01PM

Cast counterfeit...you can tell because someone stamped BAD into each side.

theboz11 · August 16, 2007 8:21PM

1928 CHINA - Y- 428 KWEICHOW AUTO Sent to NGC for verification, it is Counterfeit

1793 Warkwicshire Coventry 244 and up were contemporary counterfeits, some claim even the 1792 was a fake.

TwoKopeiki · August 16, 2007 10:11PM

Cool thread, Andy. I'll re-shoot my older counterfeits tonight. For now, my latest addition to the counterfeit collection:

1817 Durango 8 Reales. Was able to tell it's a counterfeit from a combination of factors - being not able to match the coin to any available plate, numerous hand-engraved elements, clear indication of a silver plate over less-pure cast core:

I'll post some Cap'n'Ray counterfeits tonight.

CIVITAS · August 17, 2007 6:15AM

Euboea, Histiaia AR Tetrobol 3rd-2nd Century B.C. Modern counterfeit

Style is completey wrong and degenerate for the issue. Part of a counterfeit hoard released in the late 1990s I believe.

josemartins · August 17, 2007 6:32AM

Ireland: 1941 Farthing
A bit thicker than the real thing and with a look of a modern bronze plated steel coin (but i've seen darkened examples), some small details also wrong.

Jose

MrEureka · August 17, 2007 6:49AM

Jose - I understand those 41's are different, but how do you know they're fake? Yes, I have seen them, but I don't know for sure what to think of them.

TwoKopeiki · August 17, 2007 8:53AM

This coin belongs to a class of counterfeit Portrait coins made in the Spanish Colonies for trade with regional indians. These issues referred to as "Barbaric" copies. They are usually a low grade silver and are struck from VERY crude dies. Calbetto calls them "crude imitations" in the "Compendium".

TwoKopeiki · August 17, 2007 8:57AM

This 1834 Durango piece is Riddell #370, which is a copy produced from a transfer die/mold made from an original. Low silver content, low weight, surface gives it away as a cast.

TwoKopeiki · August 17, 2007 9:01AM

This 1836 Potosi 8 Reales is a contemporary forgery with links to Riddell but not one that is listed. The multiple impressions are due to the method that was used to make fakes in the 1830-40 period. Counterfeiters often used a rocker press - kind of like a big lemon squeezer at a bar. They used a lever or rocker to apply pressure to the dies to squeeze a heated planchet. Because the transfer was often weak multiple strikes like you see here abound. It is actually far harder to find a perfect clean strike on many of these early copies.

TwoKopeiki · August 17, 2007 9:03AM

1838 Zacatecas 8 Reales, low weight (22.1g), copper core showing through.

TwoKopeiki · August 17, 2007 9:07AM

1842 Zacatecas 8 Reales - hand-cut dies, low weight of 24.7 grams and reversed superscript "s" on the cap side.

MrEureka · August 17, 2007 9:08AM

1817 Durango 8 Reales. Was able to tell it's a counterfeit from a combination of factors - being not able to match the coin to any available plate, numerous hand-engraved elements, clear indication of a silver plate over less-pure cast core:

Roman - Do any of those factors automatically condemn a W4I 8 Reales as fake? (Not that I don't also like contemporary counterfeits!)

TwoKopeiki · August 17, 2007 9:15AM

Andy, I would actually expect most of those factors on a W4I issue

However, layers of silver on both sides of the core, visible inside the edge cut, gave it away for what it is.

josemartins · August 17, 2007 11:38PM

<< <i>Jose - I understand those 41's are different, but how do you know they're fake? Yes, I have seen them, but I don't know for sure what to think of them. >>

Andy, here's a link with more details:
Link

I've actually exchanged a few emails with John and there weren't much doubts that those were fakes, besides some wrong details the metal used is something you don't see on any 1941 coin.

Jose

sinin1 · August 18, 2007 4:27AM

I think it is too big to put in pocket

lordmarcovan · August 21, 2007 4:17PM

Here's a nondeceptive counterfeit 1820 "bullhead" shilling, but it might've been deceptive enough to pass in commerce back in the early 19th century, when it no doubt had a thin silver plating.

TwoKopeiki · March 25, 2008 7:00AM

Found this old thread and decided to add a few more...

Another crude imitation counterfeit. This time the size of 1 Real:

Sheffield Plated counterfeit, showing multiple chops that indicate circulation in the Orient, which is hard to believe due to a botched legend:

sumnom · March 25, 2008 10:58AM

Could the chops also be bogus to make people think that many others accepted it as real?

TwoKopeiki · March 25, 2008 11:03AM

It's possible, but this magnitude of chop styles would make for some dedicated forgers.

bidask · March 25, 2008 11:07AM

I don't have the picture but I bought a fake Chile 2 escudos 1855 from a dealer and sent it in to pcgs a year later,...who said it was fake.

I returned the coin to the dealer with no problem

TwoKopeiki · March 25, 2008 12:04PM

Another silver-plated over copper core:

ozzysdad47 · March 25, 2008 1:34PM

I suppose because the weight is incorrect.....

ozzysdad47 · March 25, 2008 1:53PM

Another off weight..........

mrpotatoheadd · March 25, 2008 2:36PM

Lightweight by a several grams and it looks like plating has worn off the high part of the portrait and pillars:

WillieBoyd2 · March 26, 2008 12:17AM

Portugal 10 Escudos 1954 genuine and counterfeit:

I have had these Portugal silver 1954 10 Escudos coins since the 1960's
so the counterfeit is not from the usual source but was probably locally produced.

Portugal Silver 10 Escudos 1954 - Genuine
Silver, 30mm, 12.50gm, Krause KM-586

Portugal Silver 10 Escudos 1954 - Counterfeit
White metal, 30mm, 9.72gm

CollectorBob · March 26, 2008 2:33AM

TwoKopeiki · February 26, 2009 2:42PM

Hi everybody!

ajaan · February 26, 2009 9:44PM

OMG! A siting of a Russian-American living in Canada yeti. Rare breed indeed.

theboz11 · February 26, 2009 10:37PM

Hi Roman, good to see you

TwoKopeiki · February 27, 2009 1:23AM

<< <i>OMG! A siting of a Russian-American living in Canada yeti. Rare breed indeed. >>

Hiya Dan and Don!

Might be getting kicked-out of the country in the next few months. My work visa is expiring and I am relying on Canadian government to approve my "Labour Market Opinion" in order to extend my stay. With the current economy and the unemployment rates being what they are, there's a 50/50 chance they may not want to approve an American working in a position that a Canadian can occupy.

Fingers crossed, but I'm starting to look around at other opportunities in the States.

Haven't bought any real or counterfeit coins in a good 6 months, but I'm still trolling the forums and enjoying reading all of the new and exciting posts.

krueger · February 27, 2009 3:02AM

on ebay now: 2-27-09

http://cgi.ebay.com/U-S-PHILIPPINES-1906-S-1-PESO-SILVER-COIN_W0QQitemZ270350877842QQihZ017QQcategoryZ45139QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem.

Coin appears a poor counterfeit. Has a curved serif on "1" it should be straight. Funny color grey, color is wrong , probably short some silver, or mixed alloy. Surface shows classic CF depressions above MT. Mayon, also lots of small bumps on surface. There is a lot of loss of details everywhere (feet, MT. Mayon slopes etc.), U.S. coins ( SF mint struck) are struck better than this. The "6" looks too large to rest of the date numbers. The original copied coin probably had an added "6" to it. Need larger photo to tell more.

Krueger

krueger · February 27, 2009 3:23AM

Photos of the 1906-S peso I described as CF in my last post.

krueger

ASUtodd · February 27, 2009 9:31AM

Two counterfeit 8 Reales that I own. One has been classified as a "Sheffield" Counterfeit. The other has not been attributed yet by anyone.

WillieBoyd2 · February 28, 2009 1:13AM

I bought these two Chinese copies of 1898 Mexican Pesos while researching
my "Mexico 1898 Peso 1949 Restrike" article.

The first one is marked "COPY", the second one is not marked.

These are copies of the restrike peso, not the original coin.

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