Mint Error (Die Error) - 2006 W Silver Eagle Unc - Need Opinions
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I am doing some submittals and opening sealed cases of 2006 W Unc Silver Eagles.
In this instant, I have a sealed box of 100, Within this Box, I have 31 coins, packed one after the other as I pulled them for inspection, a Die Error on each reverse, found at the end of the right ribbon (held by the Eagle) that is a distinct gouge at the end of the "UNUM" ribbon.
For a gouge to occur, the die would have had to have something on it or had been raised to transfer at the strike into as a recess on the ASE.
For ALL 31 Coins, it is in the same place.
The visible gouge could be described when comparing some of the coins as incremental, i.e. running from bad to worse in a few of the coins, but generally, they are about the same in appearance.
Would this group of coins (all 31) be a Mint Error consider 'recognizable enough' for a notation on the Grading Label?
Any opinions welcomed.
In this instant, I have a sealed box of 100, Within this Box, I have 31 coins, packed one after the other as I pulled them for inspection, a Die Error on each reverse, found at the end of the right ribbon (held by the Eagle) that is a distinct gouge at the end of the "UNUM" ribbon.
For a gouge to occur, the die would have had to have something on it or had been raised to transfer at the strike into as a recess on the ASE.
For ALL 31 Coins, it is in the same place.
The visible gouge could be described when comparing some of the coins as incremental, i.e. running from bad to worse in a few of the coins, but generally, they are about the same in appearance.
Would this group of coins (all 31) be a Mint Error consider 'recognizable enough' for a notation on the Grading Label?
Any opinions welcomed.
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So it might be significant because each of the 31 coins as a group? the same gouge in the same place?
That is Cool!
Edited to add:
Would this need another Coin owned by someone else with the same Error to surface?
<< <i>Would this need another Coin owned by someone else with the same Error to surface? >>
No, They will examin the coin and determine what type of error it is and for possible recognition as a variety, you could explain that you have other coins that have the same chip though. If you go to shows, they are usually there as well.
San Diego, CA
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oops wrong size...You take nice photos!!
No, the coins aren't from your case. Those look great by the way. I'll let you know the grades if you want once I get them back.
You know what I did find different in the 100 Coin Case from your 50 Coin Case was that the MINT went to a cheaper Z6F Box in later months. The 100 Coin Case had the boxes with a much larger Font like a 12 PT. instead of the 10 Pt Font we see now.
The "older" Z6F Box is a much better quality and more appealing to the eye, that's for sure.
I did a little looking on the web thanks for the links.
Ken has a very good site, so does CONECA.
Fred Weinberg's Site is also great.
It seems to me that a collection or grouping of coins with the exact same error should get a designation. Right now I have 31 out of 470K with the same error.
What I can't find is what number of coins with the same error gives it a 'variety' claim. Like "hey' it's like an 'extra leaf Wisconson'!?
I thought a die chip would leave a raised portion, this is a gouge in all 31 coins. It's significant and my pictures don't do it justice.
It seems that something was either attached to the die, like debris or a flawed die was used. It's hard to imagine that debris would cling on the die thru the stamping of 31 coins causing an identical error without being smushed. With all of the strike pressure, what ever it has , it was hard under pressure.
It was like something set within the void for the ribbion as it increased a portion of the die's relief.
<< <i>I would send it to CONECA or Ken Potter for attribution. >>
Send it to Ken and you might not get it back.........................................He never has returned my 2005 Satin Finish Mint set or the 10 other quarters I sent him for attribution!
The name is LEE!
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I agree! I will tell you that when I found the first three, I was pissed.
But to end up with 31 out of a Case of 100 is extraordinary to me!
If this is not a variety, I don't what else would it be?
I am going to make some calls today to PCGS/NGC to see what they think.
Based on what Lee said, no way in hell am I sending them to anyone but PCGS/NGC!
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Jeez, with me finding 31 out of 470K of these 2006 W Silver Eagles, relatively speaking with 936,000,000 2005 Bosons out there, if this error were in the Bison coin, we would have 61,736 Coins with that error!
I am sure there are more! I would think if someone else reported the same error, it would have to be recoginized?
I have all them together. I am definitely going to grade all 31 together, because if broken up, the damn things would just be worth.....melt!
Can you imagine just finding 1 from a case of 10 or 20? Many would be furious the Mint let this out!
It would become a pocket piece, never give much more thought!
I suppose I should photograph them all at once?
Then separately? Am I lucky or cursed?
<< <i>Send it to Ken and you might not get it back.........................................He never has returned my 2005 Satin Finish Mint set or the 10 other quarters I sent him for attribution! >>
I've had this same experience. Sent the coins many months ago.
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<< <i>Send it to Ken and you might not get it back.........................................He never has returned my 2005 Satin Finish Mint set or the 10 other quarters I sent him for attribution! >>
I've had this same experience. Sent the coins many months ago. >>
Well at least I'm not alone! My Satin Finish set, which shows up on his page, was sent in August 2006. I sent additional coins in September. This was during the time that him and Billy Crawford were having difficulties.
I defended this rat during that time but I can see how that was a huge mistake. Unfortunately one of the packages involved in their little fracas was my mint set!
Funny how he can get "too busy" or sick or whatever to respond to emails or address his professional responsibilities but always finds the time to hawk his adult cat house coins!
The name is LEE!
A person's reputation is paramont, so there is NO Excuse for this, NONE!
I would go beserk if that happened to me.
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