I disagree. Once the buyer shows that they are satisfied with the transaction and show this by leaving positive feedback, then the seller should leave feedback afterwards to complete the transaction. >>
I agree 100% buyer leaves feedback first, so as not to create hostage situations!
But this thread is like deja vu, and sparks will fly!
Do I as a seller leave feedback first? Yes, I do. Do I as a buyer bitch about a seller not leaving feedback first when posting feedback for said seller? No, absolutely not. I'd block his sorry complaining ass from future auctions.
Why are y'all obsessed with who leaves feedback first? Are you buying coins or buying feedback? My #1 priority is to have the coin delivered to me safely, and that the item is as described and pictured in the auction. If I am happy, then I leave positive feedback, regardless of whether the seller has left feedback first or not.
Why are y'all obsessed with who leaves feedback first?
Because some of us have been biten by the crappy raw coin sold on eBay.
If the seller does not leave positive feedback when you paid on time, as is expected, then you are worried about a retaliatory neg if you neg the seller. I know, it's happened to me. Sellers may say that they'll leave positive feedback once a buyer is happy with the transaction, or they'll refund the purchase price, but very few will actually pay the FULL price paid by the buyer. What about the shipping cost to get the coin? Usually not refunded. What about the shipping back the the seller? Usually not refunded. So what about the buyer? Spends around $5+ to see what a POS the coin was & can't do a thing about it without a retaliatory neg, or can eat $10 in shipping (to & back) for positive feedback, or just keep the POS coin and move on. Quite a choice.
Maybe feedback needs to be revamped, neutral feedback is akin to a neg, why even have it? Maybe the software can be made where seller feedback needs to be entered before a buyers feedback can be posted, in other words if a seller enters feedback for the seller, it won't be shown publicly until the seller leaves feedback for the buyer.
<< <i>Spends around $5+ to see what a POS the coin was & can't do a thing about it without a retaliatory neg, or can eat $10 in shipping (to & back) for positive feedback, or just keep the POS coin and move on. Quite a choice. >>
This happens, but it's not unheard for some buyers to go 'bottom fishing' hoping for a rip based on a bad image, and then returning the coin when it's not "slabbable". These are buyers who pay POS money for a poorly-imaged coin hoping it's not, then complaining when the coin IS a POS -- in other words, they got exactly what they paid for.
I disagree---too many buyers fail to leave feedback at all when i do this.(I used to leave feedback upon payment but the reason i do not anymore is because many times i did not get any feedback in return) I always leave feedback first when i buy something (unless the seller has already left feedback). But i have some buyers with ratings over 1000 that seem to think that it is not important to leave feedback anymore-Why should i leave them a free feedback-feedback should be left by both sides.
If you are asking if i agree or disagree with the fact that he left that he said directly in the feedback that you should leave feedback first-I think he is totally wrong in this approach - the phrase ( seller should leavefeedback first) should not be in the feedback. The buyer should convey this feeling in an email perhaps but not leave it directly in the feedback. JMHO. Bob
the transaction is complete when the item has been delivered successfully and is in the hands of the buyer. Once the buyer relays that they have received the item and are satisfied I will gladly leave feedback (if they do the same, great, if they leave no feedback, eh, no big deal, if they leave neg. feedback then i have a contradictory message from the saying the opposite and i'll have it removed)
had they been badgering you about the feedback? did you wait a very long time in between the feedback and the delivery of the item?
This happens, but it's not unheard for some buyers to go 'bottom fishing' hoping for a rip based on a bad image, and then returning the coin when it's not "slabbable".
Agreed, but what is '"slabbable"? If you mean an auction where the seller has a bad image, but never mentions the hairlines, or some other defect that makes the coin not "slabbable", then yes, I think a buyer has a right to complain. If you meant that the coin turned out to be a problem free AU when the buyer spent MS money based on a cr@ppy image & the infamous "I'm not an expert grader", then no, buyer is totally at fault.
And if he returns it he should be on the hook for the cost. Again, if it is a problem free coin and only the grade is in question.
<< <i>in my view as mostly a buyer I expect feedback asap. If the seller dose not see fit to leave feedback I rarely buy again from that seller. >>
You expect feedback "asap"? Please don't buy from me! I won't leave feedback until the buyer has received the item and I know it (and buyer considers the transaction closed). They don't have to leave feedback first, but I still need to know they got it. >>
I completely disagree with you. Once I pay you, I've done all that is required of me. The faster I pay you the better I've done my job. I will leave you feedback when I receive the item I purchased. The feedback will be based on whether the object is as described and the speed with which I received my purchase.
If there is a problem and you handle it properly, I will give you glowing positive feedback for manning up and fixing the problem.
However, the rule is seller leaves feedback first. What sellers are trying to do is cover their butt from getting negged. The best way to do that is to leave feedback first and complete their side of the transaction in a timely manner with courtesy.
I'm happy to let a seller know that I am pleased and consider the transaction closed. I've done it many times. However, I will never leave feeback for a seller first. >>
And, once I have sent the, as advertised, coin to you, I am done with the transaction as well, right? I believe so. The rest of it is called COMMON COURTESY. Now, go back and re-read my full post originally. I give feedback first and I am fine with that as a seller...ONCE the buyer lets me know it is received and all is good.
The part you quoted is my comment about the "expect feedback as a buyer asap". That, to me, means as soon as buyer pays.
Looking at your post, you agree with me on buyer letting seller know it is received...not sure the reason for the rest of your post and "disagreeing" with me, when you go and state the same thing I did. >>
Let me put it simply for you...when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me and, at that point, it is your obligation to provide feedback asap.
Anything else, on either of our parts, wheter we agree or disagree, goes above and beyond the line. How you and I choose to interact when we are sellers and buyers is up to us. However, as soon as I pay you, you have the obligation to provide me feedback based solely on the payment and the speed upon which you receive it.
<< <i>Let me put it simply for you...when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me... >>
I would respectfully disagree. If the shipment went missing, you would still be required to fill out and sign the appropriate insurance forms in order to process a claim.
Maybe you didn't think that a buyer might refuse to cooperate in filing such a claim, but I can assure you that it's so.
As a seller WHY would I leave feedback until after I was sure the buyer was not a flake? Paying isn't the only thing. I once sold a guy 30 Uncirculated dimes as a lot and he wanted to return a few of them even though the ad clearly states you can return all or none. He was trying to Cherry Pick! So if I had left him feedback after he had paid, he would have used the opportunity to use a negative as leverage to get his. I know this because that is exactly what he tried to do, and I reminded him I had not left feedback yet and things got peaceful real fast. I have had this happen more than once, and the only thing that saved me was to give the feedback AFTER I have had a satisfied customer and a completed transaction.
I cannot fathom why people continue to make this statement! On eBay this statement just isn't true; simply paying doesn't fullfil all the responsibilities of a winning bidder. Why can't people figure this out?
<< <i>if you do your's just as good he or she will give you yours. >>
You are being quite naive, and are making it clear you've never tried to run an eBay business, and no, I'm not talking about selling some stuff from time to time, I'm talking about trying to run an ongooing profitable business. If you had you would know the nonsense that happens when a seller leaves feedback first.
"From Time to Time the Tree of Liberty Must be Refreshed with the Blood of Patriots and of Tyrants"
I completely disagree with you. Once I pay you, I've done all that is required of me. The faster I pay you the better I've done my job. I will leave you feedback when I receive the item I purchased. The feedback will be based on whether the object is as described and the speed with which I received my
Let me put it simply for you...when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me and, at that point, it is your obligation to provide feedback asap.
Anything else, on either of our parts, wheter we agree or disagree, goes above and beyond the line. How you and I choose to interact when we are sellers and buyers is up to us. However, as soon as I pay you, you have the obligation to provide me feedback based solely on the payment and the speed upon which you receive it. >>
tcmitssr --- If you truly feel this way...I suppose all I can say to you is "You have the right to your opinion" ...
...then, I can go on to ask "What is your ebay user name...I would definately like to add you to my blocked bidders list...because, in MY opinion...you are likely to be a big PITA to deal with"...
...oh yeah... and have a nice day...
Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free
Let me put it simply for you...when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me and, at that point, it is your obligation to provide feedback asap.
Anything else, on either of our parts, wheter we agree or disagree, goes above and beyond the line. How you and I choose to interact when we are sellers and buyers is up to us. However, as soon as I pay you, you have the obligation to provide me feedback based solely on the payment and the speed upon which you receive it.
<< <i>He did his job by paying. >>
I cannot fathom why people continue to make this statement! On eBay this statement just isn't true; simply paying doesn't fullfil all the responsibilities of a winning bidder. Why can't people figure this out?
<< <i>if you do your's just as good he or she will give you yours. >>
You are being quite naive, and are making it clear you've never tried to run an eBay business, and no, I'm not talking about selling some stuff from time to time, I'm talking about trying to run an ongooing profitable business. If you had you would know the nonsense that happens when a seller leaves feedback first. >>
They are being naive but forget it.
YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT TO THESE PEOPLE BUT YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT FOR THEM!
Sorry, I was going to stay out of it. But the level of entitlement that a couple people had on this thread pushed me over the edge!
<< <i>If there is a problem and you handle it properly, I will give you glowing positive feedback for manning up and fixing the problem. >>
Unfortunately, not every eBayer has your ethics. Some buyers choose to be unhappy and others are downright dishonest in an attempt to steal from a seller. it is those bad apples that force sellers to protect themselves. I would love to sell in the eBay utopia you described, but I'm not so deluded.
<< <i>when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me and, at that point, it is your obligation to provide feedback asap. >>
hmmm, somehow I must have missed that line in the TOS, could you please kindly point me to it?
"From Time to Time the Tree of Liberty Must be Refreshed with the Blood of Patriots and of Tyrants"
I completely disagree with you. Once I pay you, I've done all that is required of me. The faster I pay you the better I've done my job. I will leave you feedback when I receive the item I purchased. The feedback will be based on whether the object is as described and the speed with which I received my
Let me put it simply for you...when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me and, at that point, it is your obligation to provide feedback asap.
Anything else, on either of our parts, wheter we agree or disagree, goes above and beyond the line. How you and I choose to interact when we are sellers and buyers is up to us. However, as soon as I pay you, you have the obligation to provide me feedback based solely on the payment and the speed upon which you receive it. >>
tcmitssr --- If you truly feel this way...I suppose all I can say to you is "You have the right to your opinion" ...
...then, I can go on to ask "What is your ebay user name...I would definately like to add you to my blocked bidders list...because, in MY opinion...you are likely to be a big PITA to deal with"...
...oh yeah... and have a nice day...
Yeah, right....I'd stack my feedback up against yours any day.
And yes, that is the way I feel. When I win an auction, the buyer is paid within an hour and is notified by my via email of the same. I ask that feeback be provided asap and that I be notified when my package ships so I can be on the lookout for it.
As someone who buys and sells, as a BUYER when you leave feedback you no longer have a say in the transaction. EBAY or any other auction site will back the SELLER, after all he is the one who pays the companies profit. A good point is I recently bought a raw coin on EBAY *MISTAKE ONE*, everything looked good and smell good with the coin. I left positive feed back and sent the coin to ANACS for grading. ANACS BAGS it as AT *YES I MISSED AN AT* At any rate I filed a complaint with ebay against the seller, provided ANACS proof the coin was altered. In short all EBAY did was send the guy an EMAIL and ask him to reply and try to resolve the issue. His idea of resolving the issue was to leave nasty follow on feedback for me. If I ever buy anything from EBAY again, I will be sure I have what was promised, that it is authentic and I have dotted all my I's and crossed all my T's before leaving feedback. Even though I may still get burned. the negative feedback I leave will alert others to problem sellers.
<< <i>If the auction description describes the return policy adequately, this is not an issue. Also, if the description is honest and accurate and photos are good, there are usually no issues. Issues only arise when sellers omit pertinent information or mislead buyers whether intentional or not. In these cases, it is the seller's fault, but regardless the buyer performs his duty by paying quickly. >>
And what about the buyer/bidder that does not read the entire auction but only assumes certain things?
I stand behind my statement, the transaction is not complete from my side until I get notification from the buyer that they are pleased with their purchase and service. This can be via feedback or email. EOS.
Edited to add: Just ran across this thread where the buyer left sort of a reverse-positive feedback about the coin he won.
You just never know what to expect from some buyers!
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
I'll be the odd duck and say that the buyer should leave feedback first. Too many quacks out there these days.
My wife also runs an eBay account. She got a Neg. last week for an item that shipped within 48 hours and was spot on as described. The buyer on the other hand gave the wrong address. After UPS contacted us we started trying to get ahold of her thru email to tell her we need a new shipping address since UPS couldn't find hers. Days go by multiple emails to her.... and then finally negative feedback from her without ever a word. Now that we were able to leave negative feedback against her neg. feedback we have a bargaining point to get them mutually retracted after she decided to email us (almost a month later). Item was finally delivered to correct address and she is happy now but we'd have been stuck with the Neg. and no bargaining chip to get her to remove hers (since the mess up was not on our end).
Just my two cents but to each their own on feedback policy.
I'll see your bunny with a pancake on his head and raise you a Siamese cat with a miniature pumpkin on his head.
You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
Feedback is a way of protection. As a seller, I will leave feedback once the item is received and the customer is satisfied and leaves positive feedback. Only for smaller items below $50 will I leave feedback first. But items over $100, I will choose to respond after the buyer does.
I am sure I should not reply, because I am not sure it will add anything but, I will anyway.
I am a small time buyer on eBay.....and I mean SMALL. I always thought, that once I paid a seller my obligation, or intitial one anyway, was completed. Yes, I thought I should get a feed back there.
I never asked that I had one there, it was just what I thought. I have, in the past, always waited until I received the item, then gave feed back.
I have NEVER given a negative but via e-mail have agree with a seller (maybe 2-3 times) that no feed back would be left.
I have had a few.........very few....sellers that never left me feedback. I like to think it was because they are busy or my transaction was too small to take priority.
Of course, I don't run on the bid dollar items, would if I could, but that's another thing.
Becoming informed but still trying to learn every day! 1-Dammit Boy Oct 14,2003
"I would respectfully disagree. If the shipment went missing, you would still be required to fill out and sign the appropriate insurance forms in order to process a claim."
Wrong, if the shipment goes missing, the seller fills out all the forms and receives payment from the Post Office. The buyer isn't involved.
"It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
OK. So far, 4 pages of responses. Did anybody keep track or start a poll of the general concensus?
I am an eBay buyer and I sell my duplicates on eBay. (My eBay name is the same as it is here.)
Here is my standard of practice as a Seller:
(1) When payment is received, I e-mail the buyer. I thank him for his prompt payment and inform the buyer as to when I plan on shipping. (For personal reasons I prefer not to ship on Fridays or Saturdays.) No feedback is left at this time.
(2) When the item is shipped (i.e., physically in the hands of the post office), I e-mail the buyer again to let him know when shipment WAS made and I also give him the post office's estimated time of arrival. No feedback is left at this time.
(3) As soon as the buyer receives and approves the coin, he - I presume - will leave me postive feedback to let me know of his satisfaction. After the buyer leaves feedback, I immediately leave feedback for the buyer.
(4) There are rare occasions where the buyer pays promptly, but cannot be bothered (sometimes it is forgotten or he is too busy) to leave feedback. If this happens, I will wait until approximately 7 days AFTER the post office's estimated time of arrival and then I will leave feedback for the buyer.
I have not, ever, had a problem with the above.
Because this is a business transaction, I feel it is best to set a routine and adhere to it - come Hell or high water.
This is not a place for emotion or principles unless there is an issue with the item bought and/or sold. ...and if there should be an issue it must be dealt with and finalized prompty. (...but this could be a different, future Forum subject, couldn't it?)
<< <i>"I would respectfully disagree. If the shipment went missing, you would still be required to fill out and sign the appropriate insurance forms in order to process a claim."
Wrong, if the shipment goes missing, the seller fills out all the forms and receives payment from the Post Office. The buyer isn't involved. >>
Wrong? You're apparently assuming that I insure through the post office. I do not, and the insurance company I use does indeed require the buyer to fill out and sign a "lost item" form in order to process a claim.
<< <i>in my view as mostly a buyer I expect feedback asap. If the seller dose not see fit to leave feedback I rarely buy again from that seller. >>
You expect feedback "asap"? Please don't buy from me! I won't leave feedback until the buyer has received the item and I know it (and buyer considers the transaction closed). They don't have to leave feedback first, but I still need to know they got it. >>
I completely disagree with you. Once I pay you, I've done all that is required of me. The faster I pay you the better I've done my job. I will leave you feedback when I receive the item I purchased. The feedback will be based on whether the object is as described and the speed with which I received my purchase.
If there is a problem and you handle it properly, I will give you glowing positive feedback for manning up and fixing the problem.
However, the rule is seller leaves feedback first. What sellers are trying to do is cover their butt from getting negged. The best way to do that is to leave feedback first and complete their side of the transaction in a timely manner with courtesy.
I'm happy to let a seller know that I am pleased and consider the transaction closed. I've done it many times. However, I will never leave feeback for a seller first. >>
And, once I have sent the, as advertised, coin to you, I am done with the transaction as well, right? I believe so. The rest of it is called COMMON COURTESY. Now, go back and re-read my full post originally. I give feedback first and I am fine with that as a seller...ONCE the buyer lets me know it is received and all is good.
The part you quoted is my comment about the "expect feedback as a buyer asap". That, to me, means as soon as buyer pays.
Looking at your post, you agree with me on buyer letting seller know it is received...not sure the reason for the rest of your post and "disagreeing" with me, when you go and state the same thing I did. >>
Let me put it simply for you...when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me and, at that point, it is your obligation to provide feedback asap.
Anything else, on either of our parts, wheter we agree or disagree, goes above and beyond the line. How you and I choose to interact when we are sellers and buyers is up to us. However, as soon as I pay you, you have the obligation to provide me feedback based solely on the payment and the speed upon which you receive it. >>
Let me put it simply for YOU....when I have sent you the item, as described, in a timely fashion, I have done all that is required by me. Got it?
The rest is courtesy and using the ebay system in a positive manner. It is NOT required. If it were, ebay would put blocks in place so people couldn't do anything else until they left feedback.
Sheesh......how hard is it to really understand? You must not sell. (95% buyer, 5% seller for me, but I understand)
<< <i>As someone who buys and sells, as a BUYER when you leave feedback you no longer have a say in the transaction. EBAY or any other auction site will back the SELLER, after all he is the one who pays the companies profit. A good point is I recently bought a raw coin on EBAY *MISTAKE ONE*, everything looked good and smell good with the coin. I left positive feed back and sent the coin to ANACS for grading. ANACS BAGS it as AT *YES I MISSED AN AT* At any rate I filed a complaint with ebay against the seller, provided ANACS proof the coin was altered. In short all EBAY did was send the guy an EMAIL and ask him to reply and try to resolve the issue. His idea of resolving the issue was to leave nasty follow on feedback for me. If I ever buy anything from EBAY again, I will be sure I have what was promised, that it is authentic and I have dotted all my I's and crossed all my T's before leaving feedback. Even though I may still get burned. the negative feedback I leave will alert others to problem sellers.
Al >>
Did the seller guarantee the coin would slab? If not, I don't understand the problem. If you wanted a coin guaranteed to slab, buy one already slabbed.
<< <i>Did the seller guarantee the coin would slab? If not, I don't understand the problem. If you wanted a coin guaranteed to slab, buy one already slabbed. >>
Agreed. This sounds like the case of a buyer trying to get a "slabbable" coin at a raw price, but was unwilling to pay the price for a slabbed coin.
It would all be solved by the feedback escrow account. Each participant, leaves feedback that is held in an escrow account until both feedbacks are posted. While in the escrow account, neither participant can view the other's feedback. Once both feedbacks are posted, they are then made public for the buyer and seller to read as well as the rest of the public.
JJ
Need a Barber Half with ANACS photo certificate. If you have one for sale please PM me. Current Ebay auctions
While leaving Feedback is voluntary, eBay encourages all members to leave Feedback after each transaction is complete. There are different philosophies on whether the buyer or seller should leave Feedback first. Each member may choose the best approach to leaving Feedback for them.
So let's see... although eBay encourages you to do so, leaving feedback is voluntary, not mandatory. And according to eBay, it is acceptable for the seller to wait for the buyer to leave feedback first.
<< <i>As someone who buys and sells, as a BUYER when you leave feedback you no longer have a say in the transaction. EBAY or any other auction site will back the SELLER, after all he is the one who pays the companies profit. A good point is I recently bought a raw coin on EBAY *MISTAKE ONE*, everything looked good and smell good with the coin. I left positive feed back and sent the coin to ANACS for grading. ANACS BAGS it as AT *YES I MISSED AN AT* At any rate I filed a complaint with ebay against the seller, provided ANACS proof the coin was altered. In short all EBAY did was send the guy an EMAIL and ask him to reply and try to resolve the issue. His idea of resolving the issue was to leave nasty follow on feedback for me. If I ever buy anything from EBAY again, I will be sure I have what was promised, that it is authentic and I have dotted all my I's and crossed all my T's before leaving feedback. Even though I may still get burned. the negative feedback I leave will alert others to problem sellers.
Al >>
Al why in the world would you file a complaint with EBay against the seller? You saw the photo's, you thought the coin was NT enough to send it to ANACS. You have no idea whether the seller knew or did not know that the coin was AT. As a matter of fact, unless the seller toned it himself, how would he even know it was AT as the PROFESSIONAL graders at PCGS get fooled by this all the time. They'll bag a coin one month for AT and the very next month grade the coin as authentic.
I don't really think there was a problem with the seller with regard to whether or not YOU could get the coin graded.
Jeez.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
While leaving Feedback is voluntary, eBay encourages all members to leave Feedback after each transaction is complete. There are different philosophies on whether the buyer or seller should leave Feedback first. Each member may choose the best approach to leaving Feedback for them.
So let's see... although eBay encourages you to do so, leaving feedback is voluntary, not mandatory. And according to eBay, it is acceptable for the seller to wait for the buyer to leave feedback first.
While leaving Feedback is voluntary, eBay encourages all members to leave Feedback after each transaction is complete. There are different philosophies on whether the buyer or seller should leave Feedback first. Each member may choose the best approach to leaving Feedback for them.
So let's see... although eBay encourages you to do so, leaving feedback is voluntary, not mandatory. And according to eBay, it is acceptable for the seller to wait for the buyer to leave feedback first.
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<< <i>Yes. Seller should leave feedback first. >>
I disagree. Once the buyer shows that they are satisfied with the transaction and show this by leaving positive feedback, then the seller should leave feedback afterwards to complete the transaction. >>
I agree 100% buyer leaves feedback first, so as not to create hostage situations!
But this thread is like deja vu, and sparks will fly!
Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies.
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<< <i>If the seller dose not see fit to leave feedback I rarely buy again from that seller. >>
Is that really more important than getting a nice coin, accurately described, at a fair price? >>
My thoughts exactly...
Because some of us have been biten by the crappy raw coin sold on eBay.
If the seller does not leave positive feedback when you paid on time, as is expected, then you are worried about a retaliatory neg if you neg the seller.
I know, it's happened to me.
Sellers may say that they'll leave positive feedback once a buyer is happy with the transaction, or they'll refund the purchase price, but very few will actually pay the FULL price paid by the buyer.
What about the shipping cost to get the coin? Usually not refunded.
What about the shipping back the the seller? Usually not refunded.
So what about the buyer?
Spends around $5+ to see what a POS the coin was & can't do a thing about it without a retaliatory neg, or can eat $10 in shipping (to & back) for positive feedback, or just keep the POS coin and move on. Quite a choice.
Maybe feedback needs to be revamped, neutral feedback is akin to a neg, why even have it?
Maybe the software can be made where seller feedback needs to be entered before a buyers feedback can be posted, in other words if a seller enters feedback for the seller, it won't be shown publicly until the seller leaves feedback for the buyer.
Who knows? Ongoing 'issue'.
<< <i>Spends around $5+ to see what a POS the coin was & can't do a thing about it without a retaliatory neg, or can eat $10 in shipping (to & back) for positive feedback, or just keep the POS coin and move on. Quite a choice. >>
This happens, but it's not unheard for some buyers to go 'bottom fishing' hoping for a rip based on a bad image, and then returning the coin when it's not "slabbable". These are buyers who pay POS money for a poorly-imaged coin hoping it's not, then complaining when the coin IS a POS -- in other words, they got exactly what they paid for.
There are bad sellers AND bad buyers.
Thanks everyone for your imput.
OB
If you are asking if i agree or disagree with the fact that he left that he said directly in the feedback that you should leave feedback first-I think he is totally wrong in this approach - the phrase ( seller should leavefeedback first) should not be in the feedback. The buyer should convey this feeling in an email perhaps but not leave it directly in the feedback. JMHO. Bob
had they been badgering you about the feedback? did you wait a very long time in between the feedback and the delivery of the item?
Agreed, but what is '"slabbable"?
If you mean an auction where the seller has a bad image, but never mentions the hairlines, or some other defect that makes the coin not "slabbable", then yes, I think a buyer has a right to complain.
If you meant that the coin turned out to be a problem free AU when the buyer spent MS money based on a cr@ppy image & the infamous "I'm not an expert grader", then no, buyer is totally at fault.
And if he returns it he should be on the hook for the cost. Again, if it is a problem free coin and only the grade is in question.
JMO
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<< <i>in my view as mostly a buyer I expect feedback asap. If the seller dose not see fit to leave feedback I rarely buy again from that seller. >>
You expect feedback "asap"? Please don't buy from me! I won't leave feedback until the buyer has received the item and I know it (and buyer considers the transaction closed).
They don't have to leave feedback first, but I still need to know they got it. >>
I completely disagree with you. Once I pay you, I've done all that is required of me. The faster I pay you the better I've done my job. I will leave you feedback when I receive the item I purchased. The feedback will be based on whether the object is as described and the speed with which I received my purchase.
If there is a problem and you handle it properly, I will give you glowing positive feedback for manning up and fixing the problem.
However, the rule is seller leaves feedback first. What sellers are trying to do is cover their butt from getting negged. The best way to do that is to leave feedback first and complete their side of the transaction in a timely manner with courtesy.
I'm happy to let a seller know that I am pleased and consider the transaction closed. I've done it many times. However, I will never leave feeback for a seller first. >>
And, once I have sent the, as advertised, coin to you, I am done with the transaction as well, right? I believe so. The rest of it is called COMMON COURTESY.
Now, go back and re-read my full post originally. I give feedback first and I am fine with that as a seller...ONCE the buyer lets me know it is received and all is good.
The part you quoted is my comment about the "expect feedback as a buyer asap". That, to me, means as soon as buyer pays.
Looking at your post, you agree with me on buyer letting seller know it is received...not sure the reason for the rest of your post and "disagreeing" with me, when you go and state the same thing I did. >>
Let me put it simply for you...when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me and, at that point, it is your obligation to provide feedback asap.
Anything else, on either of our parts, wheter we agree or disagree, goes above and beyond the line. How you and I choose to interact when we are sellers and buyers is up to us. However, as soon as I pay you, you have the obligation to provide me feedback based solely on the payment and the speed upon which you receive it.
<< <i>Let me put it simply for you...when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me... >>
I would respectfully disagree. If the shipment went missing, you would still be required to fill out and sign the appropriate insurance forms in order to process a claim.
Maybe you didn't think that a buyer might refuse to cooperate in filing such a claim, but I can assure you that it's so.
<< <i>He did his job by paying. >>
I cannot fathom why people continue to make this statement! On eBay this statement just isn't true; simply paying doesn't fullfil all the responsibilities of a winning bidder. Why can't people figure this out?
<< <i>if you do your's just as good he or she will give you yours. >>
You are being quite naive, and are making it clear you've never tried to run an eBay business, and no, I'm not talking about selling some stuff from time to time, I'm talking about trying to run an ongooing profitable business. If you had you would know the nonsense that happens when a seller leaves feedback first.
--Thomas Jefferson
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I completely disagree with you. Once I pay you, I've done all that is required of me. The faster I pay you the better I've done my job. I will leave you feedback when I receive the item I purchased. The feedback will be based on whether the object is as described and the speed with which I received my
Let me put it simply for you...when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me and, at that point, it is your obligation to provide feedback asap.
Anything else, on either of our parts, wheter we agree or disagree, goes above and beyond the line. How you and I choose to interact when we are sellers and buyers is up to us. However, as soon as I pay you, you have the obligation to provide me feedback based solely on the payment and the speed upon which you receive it. >>
tcmitssr --- If you truly feel this way...I suppose all I can say to you is "You have the right to your opinion" ...
...then, I can go on to ask "What is your ebay user name...I would definately like to add you to my blocked bidders list...because, in MY opinion...you are likely to be a big PITA to deal with"...
...oh yeah... and have a nice day...
Let me put it simply for you...when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me and, at that point, it is your obligation to provide feedback asap.
Anything else, on either of our parts, wheter we agree or disagree, goes above and beyond the line. How you and I choose to interact when we are sellers and buyers is up to us. However, as soon as I pay you, you have the obligation to provide me feedback based solely on the payment and the speed upon which you receive it.
<< <i>He did his job by paying. >>
I cannot fathom why people continue to make this statement! On eBay this statement just isn't true; simply paying doesn't fullfil all the responsibilities of a winning bidder. Why can't people figure this out?
<< <i>if you do your's just as good he or she will give you yours. >>
You are being quite naive, and are making it clear you've never tried to run an eBay business, and no, I'm not talking about selling some stuff from time to time, I'm talking about trying to run an ongooing profitable business. If you had you would know the nonsense that happens when a seller leaves feedback first. >>
They are being naive but forget it.
YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT TO THESE PEOPLE BUT YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT FOR THEM!
Sorry, I was going to stay out of it. But the level of entitlement that a couple people had on this thread pushed me over the edge!
Rob
"Those guys weren't Fathers they were...Mothers."
<< <i>If there is a problem and you handle it properly, I will give you glowing positive feedback for manning up and fixing the problem. >>
Unfortunately, not every eBayer has your ethics. Some buyers choose to be unhappy and others are downright dishonest in an attempt to steal from a seller. it is those bad apples that force sellers to protect themselves. I would love to sell in the eBay utopia you described, but I'm not so deluded.
<< <i>when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me and, at that point, it is your obligation to provide feedback asap. >>
hmmm, somehow I must have missed that line in the TOS, could you please kindly point me to it?
--Thomas Jefferson
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I completely disagree with you. Once I pay you, I've done all that is required of me. The faster I pay you the better I've done my job. I will leave you feedback when I receive the item I purchased. The feedback will be based on whether the object is as described and the speed with which I received my
Let me put it simply for you...when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me and, at that point, it is your obligation to provide feedback asap.
Anything else, on either of our parts, wheter we agree or disagree, goes above and beyond the line. How you and I choose to interact when we are sellers and buyers is up to us. However, as soon as I pay you, you have the obligation to provide me feedback based solely on the payment and the speed upon which you receive it. >>
tcmitssr --- If you truly feel this way...I suppose all I can say to you is "You have the right to your opinion" ...
...then, I can go on to ask "What is your ebay user name...I would definately like to add you to my blocked bidders list...because, in MY opinion...you are likely to be a big PITA to deal with"...
...oh yeah... and have a nice day...
Yeah, right....I'd stack my feedback up against yours any day.
And yes, that is the way I feel. When I win an auction, the buyer is paid within an hour and is notified by my via email of the same. I ask that feeback be provided asap and that I be notified when my package ships so I can be on the lookout for it.
I doubt we would be doing business anyway.
SELLER, after all he is the one who pays the companies profit. A good point is I recently bought a raw coin on EBAY *MISTAKE ONE*, everything looked good and
smell good with the coin. I left positive feed back and sent the coin to ANACS for grading. ANACS BAGS it as AT *YES I MISSED AN AT* At any rate I filed a
complaint with ebay against the seller, provided ANACS proof the coin was altered. In short all EBAY did was send the guy an EMAIL and ask him to reply and try
to resolve the issue. His idea of resolving the issue was to leave nasty follow on feedback for me. If I ever buy anything from EBAY again, I will be sure I have
what was promised, that it is authentic and I have dotted all my I's and crossed all my T's before leaving feedback. Even though I may still get burned. the
negative feedback I leave will alert others to problem sellers.
Al
<< <i>If the auction description describes the return policy adequately, this is not an issue. Also, if the description is honest and accurate and photos are good, there are usually no issues. Issues only arise when sellers omit pertinent information or mislead buyers whether intentional or not. In these cases, it is the seller's fault, but regardless the buyer performs his duty by paying quickly. >>
And what about the buyer/bidder that does not read the entire auction but only assumes certain things?
I stand behind my statement, the transaction is not complete from my side until I get notification from the buyer that they are pleased with their purchase and service. This can be via feedback or email. EOS.
Edited to add: Just ran across this thread where the buyer left sort of a reverse-positive feedback about the coin he won.
You just never know what to expect from some buyers!
The name is LEE!
My wife also runs an eBay account. She got a Neg. last week for an item that shipped within 48 hours and was spot on as described. The buyer on the other hand gave the wrong address. After UPS contacted us we started trying to get ahold of her thru email to tell her we need a new shipping address since UPS couldn't find hers. Days go by multiple emails to her.... and then finally negative feedback from her without ever a word. Now that we were able to leave negative feedback against her neg. feedback we have a bargaining point to get them mutually retracted after she decided to email us (almost a month later). Item was finally delivered to correct address and she is happy now but we'd have been stuck with the Neg. and no bargaining chip to get her to remove hers (since the mess up was not on our end).
Just my two cents but to each their own on feedback policy.
You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
Box of 20
I am a small time buyer on eBay.....and I mean SMALL. I always thought, that once I paid a seller my obligation, or intitial one anyway, was completed. Yes, I thought I should get a feed back there.
I never asked that I had one there, it was just what I thought. I have, in the past, always waited until I received the item, then gave feed back.
I have NEVER given a negative but via e-mail have agree with a seller (maybe 2-3 times) that no feed back would be left.
I have had a few.........very few....sellers that never left me feedback. I like to think it was because they are busy or my transaction was too small to take priority.
Of course, I don't run on the bid dollar items, would if I could, but that's another thing.
1-Dammit Boy Oct 14,2003
International Coins
"A work in progress"
Wayne
eBay registered name:
Hard_ Search (buyer/bidder, a small time seller)
e-mail: wayne.whatley@gmail.com
Wrong, if the shipment goes missing, the seller fills out all the forms and receives payment from the Post Office. The buyer isn't involved.
I am an eBay buyer and I sell my duplicates on eBay. (My eBay name is the same as it is here.)
Here is my standard of practice as a Seller:
(1) When payment is received, I e-mail the buyer. I thank him for his prompt payment and inform the buyer as to when I plan on shipping. (For personal reasons I prefer not to ship on Fridays or Saturdays.) No feedback is left at this time.
(2) When the item is shipped (i.e., physically in the hands of the post office), I e-mail the buyer again to let him know when shipment WAS made and I also give him the post office's estimated time of arrival. No feedback is left at this time.
(3) As soon as the buyer receives and approves the coin, he - I presume - will leave me postive feedback to let me know of his satisfaction. After the buyer leaves feedback, I immediately leave feedback for the buyer.
(4) There are rare occasions where the buyer pays promptly, but cannot be bothered (sometimes it is forgotten or he is too busy) to leave feedback. If this happens, I will wait until approximately 7 days AFTER the post office's estimated time of arrival and then I will leave feedback for the buyer.
I have not, ever, had a problem with the above.
Because this is a business transaction, I feel it is best to set a routine and adhere to it - come Hell or high water.
This is not a place for emotion or principles unless there is an issue with the item bought and/or sold. ...and if there should be an issue it must be dealt with and finalized prompty. (...but this could be a different, future Forum subject, couldn't it?)
Regards,
Ed R.
<< <i>"I would respectfully disagree. If the shipment went missing, you would still be required to fill out and sign the appropriate insurance forms in order to process a claim."
Wrong, if the shipment goes missing, the seller fills out all the forms and receives payment from the Post Office. The buyer isn't involved. >>
Wrong? You're apparently assuming that I insure through the post office. I do not, and the insurance company I use does indeed require the buyer to fill out and sign a "lost item" form in order to process a claim.
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<< <i>in my view as mostly a buyer I expect feedback asap. If the seller dose not see fit to leave feedback I rarely buy again from that seller. >>
You expect feedback "asap"? Please don't buy from me! I won't leave feedback until the buyer has received the item and I know it (and buyer considers the transaction closed).
They don't have to leave feedback first, but I still need to know they got it. >>
I completely disagree with you. Once I pay you, I've done all that is required of me. The faster I pay you the better I've done my job. I will leave you feedback when I receive the item I purchased. The feedback will be based on whether the object is as described and the speed with which I received my purchase.
If there is a problem and you handle it properly, I will give you glowing positive feedback for manning up and fixing the problem.
However, the rule is seller leaves feedback first. What sellers are trying to do is cover their butt from getting negged. The best way to do that is to leave feedback first and complete their side of the transaction in a timely manner with courtesy.
I'm happy to let a seller know that I am pleased and consider the transaction closed. I've done it many times. However, I will never leave feeback for a seller first. >>
And, once I have sent the, as advertised, coin to you, I am done with the transaction as well, right? I believe so. The rest of it is called COMMON COURTESY.
Now, go back and re-read my full post originally. I give feedback first and I am fine with that as a seller...ONCE the buyer lets me know it is received and all is good.
The part you quoted is my comment about the "expect feedback as a buyer asap". That, to me, means as soon as buyer pays.
Looking at your post, you agree with me on buyer letting seller know it is received...not sure the reason for the rest of your post and "disagreeing" with me, when you go and state the same thing I did. >>
Let me put it simply for you...when you are paid by me, I have done all that is required by me and, at that point, it is your obligation to provide feedback asap.
Anything else, on either of our parts, wheter we agree or disagree, goes above and beyond the line. How you and I choose to interact when we are sellers and buyers is up to us. However, as soon as I pay you, you have the obligation to provide me feedback based solely on the payment and the speed upon which you receive it. >>
Let me put it simply for YOU....when I have sent you the item, as described, in a timely fashion, I have done all that is required by me.
Got it?
The rest is courtesy and using the ebay system in a positive manner. It is NOT required. If it were, ebay would put blocks in place so people couldn't do anything else until they left feedback.
Sheesh......how hard is it to really understand? You must not sell.
(95% buyer, 5% seller for me, but I understand)
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
As I said earlier, We can explain it to them but we can't understand it for them.
Rob
"Those guys weren't Fathers they were...Mothers."
<< <i>As someone who buys and sells, as a BUYER when you leave feedback you no longer have a say in the transaction. EBAY or any other auction site will back the
SELLER, after all he is the one who pays the companies profit. A good point is I recently bought a raw coin on EBAY *MISTAKE ONE*, everything looked good and
smell good with the coin. I left positive feed back and sent the coin to ANACS for grading. ANACS BAGS it as AT *YES I MISSED AN AT* At any rate I filed a
complaint with ebay against the seller, provided ANACS proof the coin was altered. In short all EBAY did was send the guy an EMAIL and ask him to reply and try
to resolve the issue. His idea of resolving the issue was to leave nasty follow on feedback for me. If I ever buy anything from EBAY again, I will be sure I have
what was promised, that it is authentic and I have dotted all my I's and crossed all my T's before leaving feedback. Even though I may still get burned. the
negative feedback I leave will alert others to problem sellers.
Al >>
Did the seller guarantee the coin would slab? If not, I don't understand the problem. If you wanted a coin guaranteed to slab, buy one already slabbed.
<< <i>Did the seller guarantee the coin would slab? If not, I don't understand the problem. If you wanted a coin guaranteed to slab, buy one already slabbed. >>
Agreed. This sounds like the case of a buyer trying to get a "slabbable" coin at a raw price, but was unwilling to pay the price for a slabbed coin.
<< <i>I am glad that we have had this discussion. Let's do it again soon, okay? >>
I'm in
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JJ
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How do I leave Feedback?
While leaving Feedback is voluntary, eBay encourages all members to leave Feedback after each transaction is complete. There are different philosophies on whether the buyer or seller should leave Feedback first. Each member may choose the best approach to leaving Feedback for them.
So let's see... although eBay encourages you to do so, leaving feedback is voluntary, not mandatory. And according to eBay, it is acceptable for the seller to wait for the buyer to leave feedback first.
Hope this clears things up.
<< <i>As someone who buys and sells, as a BUYER when you leave feedback you no longer have a say in the transaction. EBAY or any other auction site will back the
SELLER, after all he is the one who pays the companies profit. A good point is I recently bought a raw coin on EBAY *MISTAKE ONE*, everything looked good and
smell good with the coin. I left positive feed back and sent the coin to ANACS for grading. ANACS BAGS it as AT *YES I MISSED AN AT* At any rate I filed a
complaint with ebay against the seller, provided ANACS proof the coin was altered. In short all EBAY did was send the guy an EMAIL and ask him to reply and try
to resolve the issue. His idea of resolving the issue was to leave nasty follow on feedback for me. If I ever buy anything from EBAY again, I will be sure I have
what was promised, that it is authentic and I have dotted all my I's and crossed all my T's before leaving feedback. Even though I may still get burned. the
negative feedback I leave will alert others to problem sellers.
Al >>
Al why in the world would you file a complaint with EBay against the seller? You saw the photo's, you thought the coin was NT enough to send it to ANACS. You have no idea whether the seller knew or did not know that the coin was AT. As a matter of fact, unless the seller toned it himself, how would he even know it was AT as the PROFESSIONAL graders at PCGS get fooled by this all the time. They'll bag a coin one month for AT and the very next month grade the coin as authentic.
I don't really think there was a problem with the seller with regard to whether or not YOU could get the coin graded.
Jeez.
The name is LEE!
Of all the things in the world to worry about, ebay feedback ain't one of 'em.
<< <i>Someone help me - is there any other place, besides eBay, where a seller blocks a buyer? Do auction houses do this? >>
Yes, auction house frequently block buyers.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Someone help me - is there any other place, besides eBay, where a seller blocks a buyer? Do auction houses do this? >>
Yes. Most often this is either because the high bidder doesn't honor their bids or they return too many of the lots they win.
<< <i>Someone help me - is there any other place, besides eBay, where a seller blocks a buyer? Do auction houses do this? >>
Absolutely! In some auction houses, you have to qualify to be able to bid.
Whats the point of allowing someone to bid on a $200,000 coin if they can't pay for it?
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Maybe eBay can shed some light on this issue...
How do I leave Feedback?
While leaving Feedback is voluntary, eBay encourages all members to leave Feedback after each transaction is complete. There are different philosophies on whether the buyer or seller should leave Feedback first. Each member may choose the best approach to leaving Feedback for them.
So let's see... although eBay encourages you to do so, leaving feedback is voluntary, not mandatory. And according to eBay, it is acceptable for the seller to wait for the buyer to leave feedback first.
Hope this clears things up.
Great post. Made me laugh.
Rob
"Those guys weren't Fathers they were...Mothers."
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<< <i>Maybe eBay can shed some light on this issue...
How do I leave Feedback?
While leaving Feedback is voluntary, eBay encourages all members to leave Feedback after each transaction is complete. There are different philosophies on whether the buyer or seller should leave Feedback first. Each member may choose the best approach to leaving Feedback for them.
So let's see... although eBay encourages you to do so, leaving feedback is voluntary, not mandatory. And according to eBay, it is acceptable for the seller to wait for the buyer to leave feedback first.
Hope this clears things up.
Great post. Made me laugh.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment