Guess where the Wagner will end up.

BobS · July 19, 2007 12:29AM

Mastro Wagner

Any guesses at what this will end at. Man, it's so cool.

I forgot to add my guess

I'm thinking $125,000.00.

goose3 · July 19, 2007 12:32AM

that thing is Awesome!

cwazzy · July 19, 2007 12:38AM

Mine's in much better shape. Sure it's a reprint but does that really matter?

Chris

shagrotn77 · July 19, 2007 12:45AM

I say $170,000 with the juice. Wow, I can't believe I just said that. Crazy money for sure, but the low-grade Wagners have been selling great for the past few years.

FavreFan1971 · July 19, 2007 12:50AM

Would the card demand a bigger price in a PSA holder or would it be the same?

preownedautos · July 19, 2007 12:58AM

I think the negative publicity of the Gretzky/McNall Wagner being trimmed will impact the sale of future Wagners. Sure, it will bring ridiculous money, but my guess is $89K.

JeremyDie1 · July 19, 2007 1:05AM

I think the chances of the Wagner selling under 100 k are slim.

MantleMarisFordBerra · July 19, 2007 1:12AM

I think this card is a fantastic investment. Anything under $150,000 for this is a steal, if I had the funds I'd buy it, hang onto it for 5 years and flip. Maybe double my money? Pipe dreams for someone with my bank account, but a great opportunity for someone else.

thekid8 · July 19, 2007 1:28AM

<< I think the negative publicity of the Gretzky/McNall Wagner being trimmed will impact the sale of future Wagners. Sure, it will bring ridiculous money, but my guess is $89K. >>

I might live in a box but can you add more to the trimmed story

stown · July 19, 2007 1:35AM

<< I might live in a box but can you add more to the trimmed story >>

To sum it up: A conspiracy without any proof.

It would be like me claming a card was doctored, but insisting you prove me wrong rather than the other way around.

As to the card, minimum of $125K.

flatfoot816 · July 19, 2007 1:45AM

$200,000 or more--including the juice--

they do not come up very often, and someone is just itching to spend $$ to own one I am sure

perkdog · July 19, 2007 1:51AM

<< $200,000 or more--including the juice--

they do not come up very often, and someone is just itching to spend $$ to own one I am sure >>

Agreed

preownedautos · July 19, 2007 1:52AM

Here is the proof!

fandango · July 19, 2007 1:57AM

this card will go over $200,000 easy......

there are a lot of top collectors of this set who are missing ONLY this card....

it should be firece competiton, and I see it crossover to a PSA 1...

originalisbest · July 19, 2007 1:57AM

That is immaterial to the price this card will bring. If anything, that helps the value of the other Wagners out there.

stitzen · July 19, 2007 1:59AM

Proof?

Heh 89k? Good luck...more like 189k.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · July 19, 2007 2:05AM

215k

CDsNuts · July 19, 2007 2:09AM

$315,000

envoy98 · July 19, 2007 2:11AM

I would guess $130k+

Clemaz · July 19, 2007 2:22AM

$315,001

yankeeno7 · July 19, 2007 2:24AM

<< Here is the proof!

Trimmed Wagner

Anybody that doesn't see the difference is either blind or just doesn't want to believe it! >>

And you are absolutely 100% sure that this information is accurate? Im not saying that its not but Im not seeing it as proof. Until PSA looks at it again and gives an opinion...or any other true expert, it's all conspiracy theory.

Who knows if anyone that comments has something to gain or lose by their opinion?

cohocorp · July 19, 2007 2:25AM

$133,000 plus the juice

preownedautos · July 19, 2007 2:47AM

ROCKDJRW · July 19, 2007 2:54AM

Thanks for the link. Interesting read.

Stingray · July 19, 2007 2:58AM

$193,000 with the extras!!

onlyanumber · July 19, 2007 3:01AM

<< Here is the proof!

Anybody that doesn't see the difference is either blind or just doesn't want to believe it! >>

I don't believe it so I guess I'm blind.

No offense, but there are too many hidden agendas when it comes to a story like that. People want to sell books. People want to get a certain card cheaper. People want to see another grading company make money, or to see a certain grading company lose money. And then there is always the thought that someone has some sour grapes going on right now. If you had the money and could get the Gretzky/McNall Wagner for less than it sold for, don't tell me for a second you wouldn't jump at the chance.

divecchia · July 19, 2007 3:01AM

My guess with the juice $228,000

Donato

Stingray · July 19, 2007 3:02AM

As far as the other Wagner being trimmed, unless I missed something on that website, I can not tell from a picture of the Wagner card from 3 feet away on wether the borders are wavy or not??

MantleMarisFordBerra · July 19, 2007 3:09AM

And is the Wagner in the photo even the Gretzky Wagner? that's a huge unanswered question. But either way, I believe the controversy only helps the card...it's like I've said before, if someone cut a piece out of the Mona Lisa, it'd still be the Mona Lisa.

preownedautos · July 19, 2007 3:12AM

yankeeno7 · July 19, 2007 3:18AM

Do you have much experience with T cards? I have limited experience but enough to have handled plenty. All kinds of things went wrong when cutting these cards. A straight on vantage point isnt a dead giveaway. The edges have to be looked at on end. People can speculate all they want. Again, I am not saying that it is not altered...its suspicion has been there since day one. I am only offering that it being trimmed is a theory at best.

And not to repeat what Onlyanumber stated..refer to his post.

cohocorp · July 19, 2007 3:33AM

who really cares is the psa 8 is trimmed or not unless you are in the market for that specific card???????? i dont

preownedautos · July 19, 2007 3:50AM

Okay, back to the original question. What do you think it will bring? Anybody care to make a little friendly wager or get a pot going?

originalisbest · July 19, 2007 3:51AM

But I think all cohocorp is saying is that particular controversy has no bearing on the desirability of this example, which, if that's what he was saying, I agree with.

baseballfanatic · July 19, 2007 4:00AM

stown · July 19, 2007 4:42AM

<< Edited: multiple times by Collectors Universe Moderator >>

thekid8 · July 19, 2007 4:47AM

WOW

baseballfanatic · July 19, 2007 4:56AM

wow is right.....

cravetopps · July 19, 2007 5:11AM

"As far as the other Wagner being trimmed, unless I missed something on that website, I can not tell from a picture of the Wagner card from 3 feet away on wether the borders are wavy or not??"

I agree. It isn't obvious. There is no proof unless the person who cut the card from the sheet steps up and admits he did it. Even then, would it have an impact on the value? I think all the potential "bad news" is already built into this card.

The question would be, even if there was definitive proof, and not a bunch of opinions, expert or not, what would happen to the card's value? I don't think it would plummet. In fact, I don't think it would even cause a slight dip.

fandango · July 19, 2007 5:32AM

First you have to look at the source of this story....the Daily News is bordering on tabloid....

if the New York Times ran this story, it would be an entirely different thing!

i give zero merit to this story....

jrinck · July 19, 2007 6:29AM

A PSA 1 Wagner, like this one, probably has a much more interesting and rich history than the PSA 8 does.

shagrotn77 · August 3, 2007 10:32PM

Stitzen nailed it with his $189,000 guess. That's exactly what the card sold for! There was also a $192,000 guess. Big money.

RipublicaninMass · August 4, 2007 1:38AM

<< Stitzen nailed it with his $189,000 guess. That's exactly what the card sold for! There was also a $192,000 guess. Big money. >>

Stitzen must have been the buyer!

RMart · August 4, 2007 1:41AM

<< A PSA 1 Wagner, like this one, probably has a much more interesting and rich history than the PSA 8 does >>

I agree. I would almost rather have a beat up condition card of something like that. It has a greater untold story.

diamondman · August 4, 2007 2:54AM

189 K

Guess where the Wagner will end up.

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