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First, the order with a few brief opinions, followed by some pictures. This was an economy submission and date received was June 14th, so it went through rather fast, wouldn't you say??!!??
Order #20110396 / Submission #3562633
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 13817325 4188 1956 5C US PR65-----These first 10 Jeffersons graded about what I had expected and are for my toned set, with all of them having concentric tone from
2 1 13817326 4190 1958 5C US PR65-----time spent in Capital holders or 2X2 flips, the case for the post 1970 coins. I'm convinced that the graders at PCGS don't especially
3 1 13817327 4192 1960 5C US PR65-----care for toning on these Proofs which impairs the brilliance, but that's OK 'cause the coins are sweet.
4 1 13817328 4192 1960 5C US PR66
5 1 13817329 4193 1961 5C US PR65
6 1 13817330 4196 1964 5C US PR65
7 1 13817331 4199 1967 5C SMS US MS67
8 1 13817332 84205 1972-S 5C US PR65CA
9 1 13817333 84206 1973-S 5C US PR66CA
10 1 13817334 94225 1990-S 5C US PR67DC
11 1 13817335 3577 1864 2C Large Motto US Questionable ColorRB-----Looks to me like album color so it'll go back on a regular submission for a better look.
12 1 13817336 3583 1865 2C US Altered SurfaceRB-----What??? Where??? Please tell me what you think was altered on this one.......................
13 1 13817337 3903 1905 5C US PR64-----I had bought this raw as a PR65, the color is a bit better than the picture shows, a nice example for my Nickel Coinage set.
14 1 13817338 5076 1941 10C US PR67-----Not much to say about this, it came out of an NGC PF67 holder and is a beautiful gem.
15 1 13817339 9333 1923-S 50C Monroe US Questionable Color-----I'm baffled here, why would a coin be AT'd to look like this??It was cracked out of a SEGS MS64 holder.
16 1 13817340 9259 1935-D 50C Boone US MS65-----Another crackout, this one from an ANACS MS65.
17 1 13817341 6755 1989-P 50C US MS64-----Don't ask me why anyone would want this coin graded, but the local dealer asked me to submit it for a customer.
11 1 13817335 3577 1864 2C Large Motto US Questionable ColorRB-----my only concern with this was some possible PVC on the reverse.
12 1 13817336 3583 1865 2C US Altered SurfaceRB-----since it's an FS#2C-002.5 I'll just send it to NGC along with the 1864. Perhaps they'll see things differently.
13 1 13817337 3903 1905 5C US PR64
14 1 13817338 5076 1941 10C US PR67
15 1 13817339 9333 1923-S 50C Monroe US Questionable Color
Those are the only pictures of the submission I have, don't worry about hurting my feelings with an opinion on the BB's. I'm still learning, still a work in progress. Enjoy and thanks.
Al H.
Order #20110396 / Submission #3562633
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 13817325 4188 1956 5C US PR65-----These first 10 Jeffersons graded about what I had expected and are for my toned set, with all of them having concentric tone from
2 1 13817326 4190 1958 5C US PR65-----time spent in Capital holders or 2X2 flips, the case for the post 1970 coins. I'm convinced that the graders at PCGS don't especially
3 1 13817327 4192 1960 5C US PR65-----care for toning on these Proofs which impairs the brilliance, but that's OK 'cause the coins are sweet.
4 1 13817328 4192 1960 5C US PR66
5 1 13817329 4193 1961 5C US PR65
6 1 13817330 4196 1964 5C US PR65
7 1 13817331 4199 1967 5C SMS US MS67
8 1 13817332 84205 1972-S 5C US PR65CA
9 1 13817333 84206 1973-S 5C US PR66CA
10 1 13817334 94225 1990-S 5C US PR67DC
11 1 13817335 3577 1864 2C Large Motto US Questionable ColorRB-----Looks to me like album color so it'll go back on a regular submission for a better look.
12 1 13817336 3583 1865 2C US Altered SurfaceRB-----What??? Where??? Please tell me what you think was altered on this one.......................
13 1 13817337 3903 1905 5C US PR64-----I had bought this raw as a PR65, the color is a bit better than the picture shows, a nice example for my Nickel Coinage set.
14 1 13817338 5076 1941 10C US PR67-----Not much to say about this, it came out of an NGC PF67 holder and is a beautiful gem.
15 1 13817339 9333 1923-S 50C Monroe US Questionable Color-----I'm baffled here, why would a coin be AT'd to look like this??It was cracked out of a SEGS MS64 holder.
16 1 13817340 9259 1935-D 50C Boone US MS65-----Another crackout, this one from an ANACS MS65.
17 1 13817341 6755 1989-P 50C US MS64-----Don't ask me why anyone would want this coin graded, but the local dealer asked me to submit it for a customer.
11 1 13817335 3577 1864 2C Large Motto US Questionable ColorRB-----my only concern with this was some possible PVC on the reverse.
12 1 13817336 3583 1865 2C US Altered SurfaceRB-----since it's an FS#2C-002.5 I'll just send it to NGC along with the 1864. Perhaps they'll see things differently.
13 1 13817337 3903 1905 5C US PR64
14 1 13817338 5076 1941 10C US PR67
15 1 13817339 9333 1923-S 50C Monroe US Questionable Color
Those are the only pictures of the submission I have, don't worry about hurting my feelings with an opinion on the BB's. I'm still learning, still a work in progress. Enjoy and thanks.
Al H.
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I knew it would happen.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
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hey Don, there's no need for me to wait since i've owned them all and been able to give each careful consideration prior to submitting. what's telling for me is that the two crackouts, the 1941 Merc and the 1935-D Boone, both holdered at the same grade.
my only concern for the BB's was where they'd grade. the Monroe is tough past MS63 and both two-centers had some verdigris which i suspected might be PVC, yet the graders didn't think so, instead questioning the color and suspecting some alteration. the 1864 came out of a Capital holder that it looked like it'd been stored in for quite awhile, with the 1865 i wonder if they thought there was some tooling done at the date, as absurd as that sounds, simply because i can't imagine where else they. i assume that if they suspected something like a wash with MS70 to bring about that blue they'd have said questionable color. both coins are hairline free.
as for the Monroe, it has nothing more than mottled brown tone with a very, very faint purple tint if it's angled properly in the sunlight. it strikes me as a coin that spent time in an envelope. of all the coins that graded the sole puzzler is the 1905 Lib Nickel since i had it pegged as a mid-grade PR65, good strike and no impairments with attractive color. the 64 grade seems a point low to me, but the coin isn't going anywhere soon.
5 1 13817329 4193 1961 5C US PR65
6 1 13817330 4196 1964 5C US PR65
7 1 13817331 4199 1967 5C SMS US MS67
8 1 13817332 84205 1972-S 5C US PR65CA
9 1 13817333 84206 1973-S 5C US PR66CA
What were you thinking here? What a waste of $$. At obvious attempt at sarcasm gone bad, edited for such!!
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
<< <i>4 1 13817328 4192 1960 5C US PR66
5 1 13817329 4193 1961 5C US PR65
6 1 13817330 4196 1964 5C US PR65
7 1 13817331 4199 1967 5C SMS US MS67
8 1 13817332 84205 1972-S 5C US PR65CA
9 1 13817333 84206 1973-S 5C US PR66CA
What were you thinking here? What a waste of $$. But you wouldn't be the first!!! >>
You probably should have read his post.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Did thanks. Toned modern crap is worthless, haven't you read about moderns lately. >>
But it's a run that he likes and wants. Who, exactly are you, to judge what he should spend his money on? Stick to the question that was asked in the OP.
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What were you thinking here? What a waste of $$. But you wouldn't be the first!!!
Manorcourtman-----as Russ said, my thinking is explained in my post(s). believe me, i knew what to expect from the graders which is why i valued all of the coins on lines 1-10 at $18 each, the cost of the submission fees. what i'll do is try to get some good images of the group(easier said than done for me sometimes!!) when they come home and then i'll PM to alert you so you can comment on the coins themselves and not the thought behind the process which is clear: as toned coins, these are much nicer than any i've found from the series, they were relatively inexpensive, were holdered for storage/protection and uniformity of appearance in my personal set.
i could understand that sending for encapsulation a $3 coin with the expectation of a high grade or for profit with the results i received being construed as foolhardy, but that wasn't the reasoning.
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<< <i>Altered surfaces is another term for cleaned. >>
This is the first time I've heard this - I thought 'altered surfaces' meant someone had done some tooling to the coin, like adding a mint mark to up the value, or polishing or whizzing the coin. The submission I did about 6 weeks ago had 2 coins bb'd for these reasons. Do they use the terms interchangeably??
cohodk, I'm not questioning your knowledge, I'm sure you know a lot more than me. Just looking for a bit more in the way of explanation.
keets, hope this isn't a hijack on my part. Those are some really nice coins, I especially like that V nickel.
Joe G.
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discussion is a good thing, no hijack that i see.
from the PCGS website and the page titled Lingo:
-----alteration
A coin that has a date, mint mark, or other feature that has been changed, added, or removed, usually to simulate a rarer issue.
-----questionable toning
Term to describe the color on a coin that may not be original. After a coin is dipped or cleaned, any subsequent toning, whether acquired naturally or induced artificially, will look different than original toning. PCGS will not grade coins with questionable color.
it would seem to me that PCGS suspected something other than that Two-Cent Piece being cleaned/rinsed/dipped or whatever, they obviously think it had some type of tooling done to it somewhere or else they used the wrong term from their own dictionary.
The second time (still untouched by me or doctored in any way) I re-submitted ... it returned "altered surface".
I believe that PVC residue alters the surface and is basically the same difference.
Something probably tipped the graders, which puts up an alarm and the consensus vote was "altered".
I personally feel the 1865 is a victim of "alteration".
That is why there is a gold colored strip showing in the shield. I think it already saw the Olive Oil or a chemical to remove foreign substance.
Just my opinion, Al... I could be wrong about that, but the darkness around the devices and the surfaces being splotchy just give a grader second thoughts and you know what they say about "DOUBT". If there is the slightest doubt, don't do it !
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<< <i>Altered surfaces is another term for cleaned. >>
This is the first time I've heard this - I thought 'altered surfaces' meant someone had done some tooling to the coin, like adding a mint mark to up the value, or polishing or whizzing the coin. The submission I did about 6 weeks ago had 2 coins bb'd for these reasons. Do they use the terms interchangeably??
cohodk, I'm not questioning your knowledge, I'm sure you know a lot more than me. Just looking for a bit more in the way of explanation.
keets, hope this isn't a hijack on my part. Those are some really nice coins, I especially like that V nickel. >>
In my experience, "altered surfaces" is oftentimes used as a catch-all. Cleaning a coin does alter its surface, some cleaners are more harsh than others. Many times a body bagged coin will have more than 1 problem, the most obvious is the reason for the bag.
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