Feedback appreciated: 200 years ago this coin was minted...
dizzyfoxx
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...and 200 years later it shows up on my doorstep.
PCGS XF45
PCGS XF45
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Russ, NCNE
i consider, like russ said, "scrapes", good job.
but all in all, if you had to stretch for it, i am in the same boat as russ.
pass. it looks like the coin was placed on cement then someone
stepped in it and ran his foot against the cement lightly. both sides.
it appears to have scratches that retoned on the obv.
i am skeptical of the color and toning.
liberty just does not look pleasant.
why do you like it?
<< <i>why do you like it? >>
The luster, the beautiful Whitman album toning, the originality (for a 200 yr old coin), and the coin is truly much more desirable in-hand and Liberty looks much better in-hand than in the image. The toning breaks are not so pronounced. This is a remarkable 1807 Capped Bust that defines eye-appeal for the issue.
...Besides all that, I don't care for it at all.
edited to add: The contrast in color in connection with the wear adds to my view that the coin is original. If the coin had been dipped, that contrast would not be as pronounced.
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Yes this was cleaned long ago, but so have most CBH's.
1807 is a tough coin. Are there nicer-you bet, are there worse....yup
I get the impression that the reverse may be a little less golden in hand, more matching the obverse--and that is a good thing.
I like this obverse-the date is strong and really stands out beautifully.
This wear pattern (roughness) would not, and should not be acceptable on a Barber half or a Frankie, but on an 1807 CBH---I see a thing of beauty.
Nice coin.
<< <i>1807 is a tough coin. >>
True dat. Damn tough.
I like and yes I want one some day.
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<< <i>I stand by my earlier opinion that the coin is not original and that I would have passed on purchasing it. >>
I always appreciate your valued input Tom.
I must say however, now that I have it in-hand, it's as original as one could hope for in an 1807 CBH and really has incredible eye-appeal in-hand. Undeniable luster, beautiful skin, and I just can't stop admiring it.
It ain't leaving my sight.
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I like it very much....
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I agree that the toning isnt original...but do you think it is artificial? Looks like natural second toning to me...
John
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<< <i>...and 200 years later it shows up on my doorstep.
And you though the mint was slow today.
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<< <i>...and 200 years later it shows up on my doorstep.
And you though the mint was slow today. >>
Good one!
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I got pretty close!
<< <i>From all the comments from my man Dizzy, it appears he buys the stories. I follow a 1807 Capped Bust half once in a while, and I've seen this one pass through many hands in the last 6 months to a year. >>
This coin could have changed through 100 hands (or 100 pairs of hands)
That doesn't change the fact that it's gorgeous, as original as one could hope for for a 200 year old coin, and has amazing eye appeal. I'll take this coin over a dipped out white or dark brown blotchy example, every single given opportunity.
In other words, it's finished passing through hands. (for a while anyway)
Seriously though, I love it and I'm glad to own it.
*Edited to say that I appreciate all feedback on this or any other coin that I share, whether positive or negative. If we all agreed on everything and all loved the same things, this place would be about as exciting as a box of rocks.
But, you keep trying to drive this home with some of us......
<< <i>as original as one could hope for for a 200 year old coin >>
I say......
<< <i>
But, you keep trying to drive this home with some of us......
<< <i>as original as one could hope for for a 200 year old coin >>
I say......
Steve, my man... Ok, ok, ok, so perhaps it's not as original as I claim. Perhaps it's totally original, perhaps it's had a cleaning, perhaps a dipping, perhaps it fell in a well during the Civil War or got dropped in a keg during prohibition...
It's a keeper, regardless of its' 200 year provenance.
<< <i>perhaps it fell in a well during the Civil War or got dropped in a keg during prohibition... >>
Now THAT'S a new one...... I like it.
It does appear to have been cleaned though and I thought that was a guaranteed BB? (it would have been BBed if I had submitted it ) what is the story with that??
<< <i>Photo makes it look like someone rubbed it on sandpaper... >>
Agree. There is a sharp contrast between the light areas and the darker toned areas without any gradual transition in color. Looks like it was scraped against an abraisive surface such as a concrete floor.
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<< <i>I would close the door, turn off the lights and pretend I wasn't home.
If it was still there the next morning I would call Animal Control. >>
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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<< <i>I would close the door, turn off the lights and pretend I wasn't home.
If it was still there the next morning I would call Animal Control. >>
This blasted thing is still here and Animal Control isn't answering their hotline... I guess I'll have to just keep it for now.
And no...this one was not scraped across concrete. Concrete was not a big thing back in 1812 and some of us realize that to capture the coin as it is captured in the pic it makes the wear look as it does.
But common sense doesn't always apply around these boards, it is one of those things that is in short supply sometimes.
This coin would be the centerpiece of MANY collections, as some of us realize. But hey......you could always collect a nice 1881S Morgan that PCGS alone has graded over 150,000 examples, well over 60,000 MS 64's alone...compare to about 200 total of these 1807 50/examples.
That is why some of us just laugh to ourselves Dizz.
appeal to me. lots of half eagles have pops lower then 200 and
when the first one shows up and i dislike it, i do not buy it and
would tell others the same.
i notice good dealers often have advice like this. a pretty problem
coin is still a problem coin. i forget who said that.
<< <i>jrocco, i would rather go without then to buy coins that do not
appeal to me. lots of half eagles have pops lower then 200 and
when the first one shows up and i dislike it, i do not buy it and
would tell others the same.
i notice good dealers often have advice like this. a pretty problem
coin is still a problem coin. i forget who said that. >>
I do not consider this a problem coin. The only problem is that it is in dizzy's collection and not in my Dansco album.
I like JRocco's perspective.
Dizzy, the person that you have to please is yourself.
<< <i>jrocco, i would rather go without then to buy coins that do not
appeal to me. lots of half eagles have pops lower then 200 and
when the first one shows up and i dislike it, i do not buy it and
would tell others the same.
i notice good dealers often have advice like this. a pretty problem
coin is still a problem coin. i forget who said that. >>
I've just spent the last ten minutes admiring this coin under halogen lighting and a loop, and after 24 hours and sleeping on it, I still think it's pretty
I think something (or many things for that matter) negative can be construed regarding any coin in the hobby which is presented to a public forum. Whether it's a monster toned commem or a blast white buffalo nickel or a dark brown crusty busty or a rainbow Morgan.
Some would love this 1807 if they saw it in hand, others would snarl at it, while others would be indifferent.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if we all agreed all the time and we all liked the exact same things about a coin, this place would be rather
<< <i>From the image, it looks like a great coin, fairly original looking with album toning. I believe you can't make a full assessment from an image, but that coin looks nice, and a difficult year. >>
<< <i>Some light scratches that may bother some, a little distracting but I would accept them. >>
I would argue the coin was not cleaned, athough I can't prove it, just as you can't prove that it was cleaned. It does not appear to have been abrasively cleaned with baking soda or other abrasive. Were the non-uniform light hairlines and scratches from rubbing of fabric in a pocket, or rubbing of fabric from a wipe? Can you prove it? Does it matter?
I have light grey Mercs and Morgans from circulation in 1962-1964. After 45 years, they are still light grey, as they will be 50-100 years from now in the same metal box. Capped bust halves were still circulating 100 years ago, wholesaling for 50-55 cents, with pre-turbs wholesaling for a modest premium. What would be the incentive to clean pocket change 100 years ago? I would bet this coin was light grey, put into a Wayte Raymond album with cardboard supplied by M.L. Biestle in the 1930's and left there for a few decades. TPG's call it acceptable toning. I don't think it is "natural toning" as I have yet to pull a coin from circulation with rings of blue and gold, but it is very nice toning that is attractive, not the bright silver centers with blue rim toning from a dipped and album toned half. As a variety collector, I would have very few coins if I insisted on only heavy tarnished and corroded coins from improper storage. I would rather see the luster, and study the attributes of the working dies.
Dizzy, I gotta nice ANACS F12 1807 for trade
Edit to say, when I've seen this coin offered from several sources the image always made the wings look much whiter. One dealer had told this to me as well. Just curious.