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  • compromonedascompromonedas Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭
    That is a FAST-FLIP
    Keithimage
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    If he has paid , I have no problem. If not, tell him to ante up the payment then try to sell the coin.
  • WhitWhit Posts: 349 ✭✭✭
    I am curious. How do you feel about his using your photos now that he's bought the coin?


    Whit

    Aha, question answered below ....
    Whit
  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,160 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's almost insulting...
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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    It could go either way--

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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Maybe you can buy it back for less than you sold it for and tell him you'll just keep it to save on shipping back and fourth image
    Ed
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    Maybe you could ask him for a few bucks and you'll ship it directly to the next winning bidder.
  • LALASD4LALASD4 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭
    If you paid, it is his coin, he might need the money for something, who knows.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If he has paid , I have no problem. >>



    He's sort of paid. It's an eCheck that hasn't cleared yet, which is why the coin hasn't shipped.

    I have no problem with these quick flips either, not even a problem with re-using my images. It happens frequently. But, it's quite a risk doing this before the coin is in hand.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,546 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe he has a bigger buyer list... if not, I don't understand the move. However, once someone owns a coin, they should be able to do whatever the like... including selling it in two days.
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  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5 day auction also. Gutsy !

    Ken
  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    hmm, he might lose on this one. I will be watching and bidding
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That would be funny as hell Russ if you bid and won his auction for less than he won your auction. image
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah Russ, you should bid on it image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,599 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's not a flip, that's a flush !
    Remember, it's modern crap image

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  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    "He's sort of paid. It's an eCheck that hasn't cleared yet, which is why the coin hasn't shipped"

    Ive had 3 transactions that ended with Non Payment from bozo's with E-checks.
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seriously Russ, put in a bid on it. A small one that you know won't win but a bid none the less just to let him know that you're on to his shananagans.
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd like to see Russ win it for less and collect a few bucks from him. Then, list it again!
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  • BajajimBajajim Posts: 529 ✭
    Looks like a nice coin. I may be interested but I asked the new seller for better pics of the coin. image
  • goldman86goldman86 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭
    That is so Funny!!! Go RUSS GO. Get em. I would love for you to win the item at a cheaper number!!!

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  • ilikebuffaloesilikebuffaloes Posts: 711
    Maybe he is selling the coin so he can afford a digital camera to take his own pictures with! image

    It is against eBay rules to use someone elses pictures without permission. Your auction looks more professional than his Russ, maybe that is why you did better!
    I'd keep playing. I don't think the heavy stuff will be coming down for quite a while!
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,599 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Maybe he is selling the coin so he can afford a digital camera to take his own pictures with! image

    It is against eBay rules to use someone elses pictures without permission. Your auction looks more professional than his Russ, maybe that is why you did better! >>



    Hey, Russ isn't going to hang the guy ... He's only humored that this guy is already listing what he hasn't receieved, yet !
    It's your typical PRE-Sale image

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  • jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    Russ, maybe he has to sell the thing to come up with the money to pay you. I have seen dumber things happen. He paid to much anyway. He will lose on this one.
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Russ, I am sensing a commercial opportunity for you here - just put up some ebay auctions and say:

    "save time and shipping expenses, too! buy my coin, and sell it back to me! Free Photos! Just send $10.00 to Russ...................."

    Maybe you can get a slick law firm to issue an opinion that since it's a "like kind" transaction, it is not taxable...........?
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  • PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin. I'm thinking of buying it and consigning to Russ to sell for me.

    If I win I think Russ just holds onto the coin?

    It's like deja vu all over again.


    Joe
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yeah Russ, you should bid on it >>



    Nah, I don't want to mess with him. In fact, I feel a little bad for the guy. Unless a miracle happens he's going to lose money.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭
    His stellar reputation, feedback, and wit will make him some money. That and his photos aren't bad either.
  • ilikebuffaloesilikebuffaloes Posts: 711


    << <i>Hey, Russ isn't going to hang the guy ... He's only humored that this guy is already listing what he hasn't received, yet !
    It's your typical PRE-Sale image >>



    I wouldn't hang him either, but it is against eBay's policy. It is a bit deceptive because he doesn't have the coin yet and by posting the photos it leads his buyer to believe that he has the coin in-hand. I wouldn't do this only because it could get lost or damaged in shipment (I'd trust Russ but things happen in transit!). I am not a fan (or bidder) of pre-sales!

    I'm all for people making money, and if someone bids more for an item than it is worth, it is their choice. As long as the seller describes the item accurately and provides the bidder with enough information to make their bid, it is a fair auction (IMO).

    I'd keep playing. I don't think the heavy stuff will be coming down for quite a while!
  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    I'm curious how well he'll do
  • RareBronzeCollectorRareBronzeCollector Posts: 1,270
    I've had buyers flip coins that I have sold them.....

    2 that come to mind (both darkside) are:

    A cleaned EF shilling that I sold for $65 that HE sold using MY pictures as an UNC for $335

    A nice VF/EF half crown that I sold for $300 that was flipped as an AU for $650 (his pictures)

    I don't mind the flipping so much as I hate the blatant lying about the condition..... I try to be conservative and get a fairish price for the coin, and then it is flipped by a huckster who lies about the condition and gets an exhorbitant price for it...... I guess crime does pay (except I suppose it's not legally a crime......)


  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Why anger a customer?

    I did ask him how the coin looks in hand?image
  • sonoranmonsoonsonoranmonsoon Posts: 2,078 ✭✭


    << <i>Maybe you can buy it back for less than you sold it for and tell him you'll just keep it to save on shipping back and fourth image >>



    imageNow that would be really funny!!!!
  • CasmanCasman Posts: 3,935 ✭✭
    Lets just put watches to the moon, that would be funny too, I can see it now 678 watches....image
  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭
    It is a risk doing it without the coin in hand. I bought an ef45 1892-s morgan from someone on ebay and paid immediately. Little did I know, he didn't have it in hand yet, as he had bought it off the bay as well. Turns out, the coin was lost. He did refund my money. He then filed a postal claim because he never got the coin to get the insurance money. I was then contacted by the oiginal seller, who saw that he flipped the coin and thought he was trying to scam the post office and was ready to turn him into the feds. I straightened it out for him, but my seller never knew how much trouble he almost got in to, even though he technically was not trying to defraud anyone. BTW, he still sells on the bay, I just avoid him.
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  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,384 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I may put in a lowball bid and mess with him a bit if I win.

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  • aficionadoaficionado Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭

    Well he has over 400 'looks'

    Russ had only 69. Wonder why ???? image


  • EnjoymintEnjoymint Posts: 300
    I just noticed that the guys name is Nebraska spelled backwards. That might explain a lot if he does everything backwards.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Well he has over 400 'looks'

    Russ had only 69. Wonder why ???? >>



    Yeah, he does seem to be getting a lot more action on this one then his other auctions.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • CommemDudeCommemDude Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is he now quckly selling the coin with the intent to return it to you if he can't beat or shill his way above the $180 he owes you?? This happened to me twice out of 250 sales, guys who bought the coins then couldnt place them in a quick profitable flip, and returned them to me just within the 10 day return period.

    Edited to add: This guy isn't going to resell the coin for less than he paid; he is going to place a shill bid for his purchase price and see if anyone takes it high enough for him to keep Russ's coin.
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  • MajorDutyMajorDuty Posts: 1,998
    How come his 1 negative doesn't show up?
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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    Check his feedback as a buyer.
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    The beauty of buying it back for less is that he can't really ask you for a refund for his purchase without you being able to file a NPB.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>How come his 1 negative doesn't show up? >>



    The feedback view defaults to only that received as a seller when checking it from an auction listing.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • SFDukieSFDukie Posts: 618 ✭


    << <i>Why anger a customer?

    I did ask him how the coin looks in hand?image >>


    image

    Lets us know how he responds, Mike...
    Don
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Edited to add: This guy isn't going to resell the coin for less than he paid; he is going to place a shill bid for his purchase price and see if anyone takes it high enough for him to keep Russ's coin.

    Agreed. It will sell for at least 30% above what he paid. If his shill buys his own coin back, he'll return it to Russ for a refund.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Agreed. It will sell for at least 30% above what he paid. If his shill buys his own coin back, he'll return it to Russ for a refund. >>



    If that's the plan, he's in for a rude awakening.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    You know by posting the link to the auction his views will be through the roof but I bet the bidding stays low.
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Heaven help me, but I feel this urge to bid on a 1964 Proof Kennedy Half. image

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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If his shill buys his own coin back, he'll return it to Russ for a refund. >>

    So compucheap sells a coin to aksarben2007, who in turn sells the coin to shillerdude007, with links to each auction clearly showing the coin's trail. How does aksarben2007 get away with trying to return a coin he's already sold to another buyer?

    Anyway, if the coin in question was one I originally sold, my buyer would most definitely not have an opportunity to return it.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Geez, I just checked the expected clear date for his eCheck. It's July 2, a day after his auction ends.

    Russ, NCNE
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