SO... is this seller legit or what? .......... I smell sumthin'
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I don't understand this guy, regardless of whomever he may or may not be.
He has 3 Washington Quarters in stock and only one is PCGS certified, a semi-key. Meanwhile, he has this coin that appears to be TOO beautiful, which would be worth MULTIPLES of the semi-key IF certified.
IMMEDIATELY, Bells, Buzzers and Sirens went off. Who would certify the lesser coin but NOT certify THIS!!
I have approached him Twice, very politely - courteously commending him on his camera expertise. He DOES take great photographs and yes, I'm curious about what specific camera he uses that takes such great shots of what, by now, I cannot help but perceive as what MUST be a problematic coin.
I complimented him and asked him why the lesser valued coin is PCGS certified while this piece remains raw, especially when common deductive reasoning would have it that if the coin in question IS as nice as it APPEARS to be, it would be worth a LOT MORE IF CERTIFIED BY PCGS.
I've been courteous and expressed my reasoning simply yet succinctly, accusing him of NOTHING and still no reply after two attempts to hear some sort of rationale from him over this.
Sorry, but I have two legitimate questions. His non reply has my gut instinct thinking SOMETHING MUST be wrong here. If ANYONE here had this coin in the condition it SEEMS to be in, you just KNOW this coin would have been submitted. It's just Common Sense. With the scene set as it is, I would really be surprised if no one has asked themselves AND/ OR him the very thing I am pondering.
Anyone know this guy or ever deal with him? By any chance would he happen to be a Member here? I STILL AM accusing him of NOTHING but given the circumstances, there is just something not quite right with this .... picture!
He has 3 Washington Quarters in stock and only one is PCGS certified, a semi-key. Meanwhile, he has this coin that appears to be TOO beautiful, which would be worth MULTIPLES of the semi-key IF certified.
IMMEDIATELY, Bells, Buzzers and Sirens went off. Who would certify the lesser coin but NOT certify THIS!!
I have approached him Twice, very politely - courteously commending him on his camera expertise. He DOES take great photographs and yes, I'm curious about what specific camera he uses that takes such great shots of what, by now, I cannot help but perceive as what MUST be a problematic coin.
I complimented him and asked him why the lesser valued coin is PCGS certified while this piece remains raw, especially when common deductive reasoning would have it that if the coin in question IS as nice as it APPEARS to be, it would be worth a LOT MORE IF CERTIFIED BY PCGS.
I've been courteous and expressed my reasoning simply yet succinctly, accusing him of NOTHING and still no reply after two attempts to hear some sort of rationale from him over this.
Sorry, but I have two legitimate questions. His non reply has my gut instinct thinking SOMETHING MUST be wrong here. If ANYONE here had this coin in the condition it SEEMS to be in, you just KNOW this coin would have been submitted. It's just Common Sense. With the scene set as it is, I would really be surprised if no one has asked themselves AND/ OR him the very thing I am pondering.
Anyone know this guy or ever deal with him? By any chance would he happen to be a Member here? I STILL AM accusing him of NOTHING but given the circumstances, there is just something not quite right with this .... picture!
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Even if the two keys grade AU 58 - MS62 they would be worth multiples of whatever he realizes for them raw.
Just off to the right of the last letter "R", along the bottom, I see some tell-tale signs!
See them?
Note that the 40-D has luster whereas the D&S have none. I zoomed in along the bottom and there is definitely some activity taking place there. Also, note how a Master camera man suddenly goes badly out of focus on the Reverse of the S.
Now, I see! He has great skills as a camera man. Time for me to alert the Caped Crusader!
Raw coins on ebay...double caveat emptor.
Raw expensive/key date coins on ebay...quadruple caveat emptor.
Looking for a rip on raw expensive/key date coins on ebay...octuple caveat emptor.
I've been courteous and expressed my reasoning simply yet succinctly, accusing him of NOTHING and still no reply after two attempts to hear some sort of rationale from him over this.
You are probably already blocked.
Undoubtedly. He has nothing I want OR need, so no big deal!
I know a few very real people, completely registered, with nothing to lose that happen to pay by Money Order.
They REALLY dislike sellers that try to put it on innocent people.
One of them will be more than happy to bid on his items, I'm sure!
BTW, I sell a lot of PCGS & NGC certified items but also happen to sell a lot of RAW pieces that are perfectly fine but just not worth the expense to have graded and then have to cope with auction related expenses, hoping to break even.
It's only logical that I sell these raw.
Isn't there quite a few of these 32-d's and 32-s's that have mint marks soldered on?
Maybe this is one of those?
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
Why the seller would leave lots of money on the table is beyond me.
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
My digital cameo album 1950-64 Cameos - take a look!
I considered this but after zoom in in on it at 400% I can tell you that I'm 99.9% positive it's authentic. Attatched or added Mint marked Ds are usually big & bulbous, easily recognizable as those from pieces such as the 55-D.
Real 32-D have small mint marks.
<< I think your radar is spot on.>>
Thanx. I think so. Why would a lesser "semi-key" be graded PCGS while the 2 main keys remain raw?
Placing the 40-D in the picture shows how "bright" he is. Note the Lustre on the PCGS coin whereas the keys have NONE!
Upon close inspection I can see activity along the bottom of the D as mentioned previously and for this camera whiz to go from an outstanding photographer on all his coins then suddenly out of focus on the S's Reverse, tells ME all I need to know!
For the record, I would not purchase either of these raw keys with YOUR money. I certainly am not shopping for a raw key when PCGS/ NGC certified pieces are way down. Just surfin' the bay checking to see whassup!
Personally, I cannot understand the logic of someone being so tight as to risk being burned by wanting a bargain so badly. They just as soon buy the real deals.
<< <i>I bought a raw quarter from him that he advertised as problem free. When I got it, it showed signs of corrosion, he gladly accepted a return on it, and promptly refunded my money.
So you may not agree with his grading but at least the seller is reputable in my opinion regarding his coins. I doubt I will purchase anything raw from him in the future though. >>
There are lots of ebay sellers who sell overgraded, attractively photographed, low-end material. No doubt, the business model counts on most people, especially newbies, not knowing better and just keeping the coins and thinking they got a good coin for a good price. That is how I started buying coins on ebay, anyway.
Selling the same problematic coins over & over again with such stipulations for returns could prove to be quite lucrative for a seller.
When I see coins such as these 2 keys, being auctioned raw or in 3rd World slabs, the first thing that comes to mind is "What is wrong with this coin?"
Plain common sense would have it that certifying such "fantastic" keys would bring any seller a LOT more money yet still the tight wads line up to buy them yet shy away from the PCGS/ NGC certified pieces, thinking they are saving money when NOTHING could be further from the Truth. Some just have to learn the Hard Way!
It never ceases to amaze me how dumb some people truly are!
I MUST say, he DOES say all the right things & even has what appears to be a decent return option.
Roll the dice or "RUN Toto! RUN!"
<< <i>There are lots of ebay sellers who sell overgraded, attractively photographed, low-end material. No doubt, the business model counts on most people, especially newbies, not knowing better and just keeping the coins and thinking they got a good coin for a good price. >>
The other aspect to that business model is to provide quick refunds to the occasional bidder who realizes they've been shafted.
Russ, NCNE
THERE IS A NO QUESTIONS ASKED 5 DAY RETURN POLICY,YOU MUST BE 100% SATISFIED OR NO DEAL. BUYER IS RESPONSIBLE TO REINBURSE SELLER CREDIT CARD CARD OR PAYPAL FEES IN THE EVENT OF A RETURN.BUYER MUST HAVE A VERIFIED AND CONFIRMED ADDRESS TO USE PAYPAL
That's a No-No. The worst HE ccan be out as the seller are the listing fees, NOT the PayPal fees! If there is a refund PayPal is not entitles to squat. No transaction - no pay pal fees but however, he will be out eBay listing fees and can also recover final value fees.
Nice racket.
What's the deal?
RAW MS62 3 leg buffalo