Fake Jordan right?

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · June 4, 2007 6:40AM

If so please report it.

Link to ebay auction

CDsNuts · June 4, 2007 6:43AM

Not necessarily fake. Unlicensed would be more appropriate. I love the fact that it has a 1986 design, but he didn't defect to baseball until the early 90s.

Lee

Barfvader · June 4, 2007 6:44AM

What Lee said.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · June 4, 2007 6:54AM

Thats what I thought. I dont mind "custom" cards but when they try to pass them as legit, rare and want $500 ....

CDsNuts · June 4, 2007 7:00AM

I remember back in the 90s at card shows there would be at least 2 tables with people selling nothing but unlicensed cards (Broder) at $1 each with stacks and stacks and stacks of each card. The leagues, Player's Associations, and card companies were idiots to not do anything about it. Now there are strict rules as to when a player is allowed to have his rookie card, but back then they allowed some schmoe to print up 2,000,000 unlicensed Bo Jackson cards in his basement without any type of investigation or inquiry.

Lee

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · June 4, 2007 7:05AM

1st time I was scammed on cards was in 1987ish buying Strawberrys "pre-rookie"

ajw · June 4, 2007 7:41AM

<< <i>I remember back in the 90s at card shows there would be at least 2 tables with people selling nothing but unlicensed cards (Broder) at $1 each with stacks and stacks and stacks of each card. ... they allowed some schmoe to print up 2,000,000 unlicensed Bo Jackson cards in his basement without any type of investigation or inquiry.

Lee >>

I remember those days, too. I loved buying the Will Clark cards. I still do. I bought one on eBay just a few days ago. Not only were these printed in much smaller numbers than licensed cards, they can be quite difficult to find, precisely because no one thinks they're worth anything. I know many player collectors feel exactly the same way. I really do wish there was an authoritative source on these cards, as it's currently impossible to know what's out there until you see it. I'd love to read an interview with Rob Broder or some of the others that made these cards.

There's a real variety in the quality of photography and design. Some are quite nice...others are awesomely bad. Here are few Will Clarks, in case anyone cares. The first is from 1986, and has undoubtedly held its value far better than nearly any other baseball card printed that year. I also like them because they're some of the few mustache cards I have!

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · June 4, 2007 8:20AM

The seller replied to me. Said this when I said it was fake, so I must be wrong.

"No it's not- you're certainly welcome to think what you want."

BobaFett72 · June 4, 2007 8:30AM

love those will clark cards. I dare say i owned every one of them at some point. The Brodeur cards are the first cards I bought at a card show in 1987.

milbroco · June 4, 2007 8:35AM

I think the seller is confused. He got the word priceless confused with worthless..........
Bob

ajw · June 4, 2007 8:40AM

I should add that I'm positive I owned that Jordan card at one point. I'd guess it's still in a box somewhere. It's certainly a Broder-style card, but it's also very cool.

chaz43 · June 4, 2007 10:31AM

Not sure. chaz

gregmo32 · June 4, 2007 10:40AM

I believe WIll Clark stole that mustache from John Candy's character in "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles."

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · June 4, 2007 10:58AM

Auction ended early.

metalmike · June 4, 2007 12:14PM

I remember some of these type cards had "Prototype" on the reverse so the seller could claim they were legit. I have a Griffey Moeller High school card somewhere......

prscott933 · June 4, 2007 12:22PM

I still have a Jordan that's on a 1986 Topps baseball design. Bought it for $1 at a Tri-Star show in St Louis sometime in the 90's.

Rogermnj · June 4, 2007 4:20PM

The same guys selling those jordans for $1ea also had the 1985 topps OLY will clark cards for $1..

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · June 5, 2007 3:28AM

I asked why he pulled the auction-

response- "I realized that I can't get what it's really worth on ebay- someone needs to see it in person."

OHHHHH Its one of thooose auctions... I get it.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · June 5, 2007 3:29AM

You know the no-refund type transactions.

MooseDog · June 6, 2007 12:26AM

That card is what is commonly known as a "Broder" unlicensed card. When I had my shop those cards were literally a dime a dozen. At any of the card shows in the SF area you had dealers there with thousands of those cards selling for $1-3 each or in bulk if you want.

The Jordan card IS "priceless" - worth nothing at any price...

2dueces · June 6, 2007 12:37AM

The unlicensed cards are a great novelty. Being scarcer than published cards is not always true. They can print these cards any time they want and in any quanity. True the Will Clark card market may be small, but that is the reason there is no value to them. Imagine Topps being able to print 1952's any time they wanted in whatever quanity. We would be making quilts because there would be no card market.

ajw · June 6, 2007 1:29AM

<< <i>The unlicensed cards are a great novelty. Being scarcer than published cards is not always true. They can print these cards any time they want and in any quanity. True the Will Clark card market may be small, but that is the reason there is no value to them. Imagine Topps being able to print 1952's any time they wanted in whatever quanity. We would be making quilts because there would be no card market. >>

Of course these cards could be reprinted, but I'd be absolutely shocked if they were. There are, at most, 100 collectors in the world that are actively pursuing them. The 1986 Broder card I have is easily worth $10 to a Will Clark collector. No question. How many other 1986 baseball cards that were $1 then are worth $10 today?

I'm not trying to say these are good investments, are necessary for a "complete" player collection or anything else. I'm just saying they are highly collected by dedicated player collectors and can be very difficult and expensive to acquire.

GlynRParson · June 27, 2007 1:00AM

"Not sure. chaz "

GlynRParson · June 27, 2007 1:02AM

"I'm not trying to say these are good investments, are necessary for a "complete" player collection or anything else. I'm just saying they are highly collected by dedicated player collectors and can be very difficult and expensive to acquire."

Not if you run into one of the guys that still have thousands of each card because it got to hot to put them out at shows in the late 80s early 90s. When they did start cracking down on these illegal cards.

Fake Jordan right?

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