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How does one determine "original" toning on circulated coins?

BarberianBarberian Posts: 4,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
After reading a thread bemoaning the lack of good threads on the boards right now, I though I would throw this out for discussion. I have my own "methods', but I don't know exactly how reliable they are. For example, on silver coins, I look for gradual transition in toning between the letters or stars along the edge and the fields. I prefer darker coins with little transition between the color near the edge and the open fields. Abrupt lightening suggests to me that a coin has been cleaned at some point in its past. On seated coins, I look for darker toning in the recesses of the folds in Liberty's dress and in the eagle's feathering. I am also aware that some original coins do not take on a dark color with age. Instead, they acquire a powdery appearance over time. Does this all shake true to the rest of you.

How does one best determine cleaned and retoned coins from coins with original tone?

How do others here discriminate between original toning and secondary toning after a cleaning. Photo's would be greatly appreciated.

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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good thread, here is a similar one I did years ago.....Text
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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 4,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for providing the link to your thread. It really is a good read. Though I know photos often don't capture the true appearance of coins, it would be nice to see some examples of what was discussed in that thread.

    I am surprised that some people question the originality of darkly toned coins, even when the toning appears to penetrate deep into the coin's surface. I am also surprised at how many coins that appear to me to have been cleaned or polished in the past make it into PCGS and NGC holders.
  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think you make some good points as to what you consider original. I've shown this coin plenty of times before. 1807 is my favorite.
    I've sold most of my collection, and many 07's. Many in much higher grade than this one. But I kept this as I haven't seen, nor expect to see one more original than this. IMO, this is as good as it gets. Depending on what one considers good.image

    I also still have my icon coin as well. Tougher variety than the one I posted here.

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