Stay away from this flea bay seller !!!!!

coinsarefun · June 3, 2007 2:06PM

User ID: bigbuckbell
Name: Shawn E Bell
Company:
City: Hyde Park
State: PA

I purchased GW's "unburnished" dollars a while back on Ebay.
The auction title said Unburnished. I asked him before purchasing if the coins where sintered and he said no they were unburnished. So in short being new at this and naive I purchased them.
After getting them back from PCGS they were marked sintered.
I have wrote several times to him about this a he has said that he will not refund.

Ebay

One of his replies was:

The ones I sent into PCGS to be graded also have been labeled as sintered. When I listed these coins , I choose to use the term unburnished / improperly prepared planchet. PCGS chooses the term sintered (which is also correct), because it refers to the cause of the discoloration. I choose the term unburnished because , after the annealing process, which is where a coin planchet can recieve a sintered coating error, the coin next moves onto the burnishing ,(polish or brightening), process, in which the coin is polished with small steel pellets. If a coin recieved this process it should have removed any of the sintered discoloration, but in the case of these, has not. This is why I listed them as unburnished(unpolished or unbrightened), because it more acurately describes the coin error. PCGS just uses the terminology sintered but the (unburnished) error was actually considered one in the same by there standards, when I inquired to them about it. I hope this was of help to you. Thanks for your previous business, and it was a pleasure to deal with you. Take care and have a great weekend!!

I tried to get my money back but he said to go pound salt!

Maybe I should pay the price for my ignorance

derryb · June 3, 2007 3:42PM

Here's my "unbunished" GW. Don't think it can be labled sintered, but i might be wrong:

coinsarefun · June 3, 2007 3:56PM

Is that one struck thru?

Here's the one I have that was said to be unburnished but actually is sintered

Edited for reverse:

derryb · June 3, 2007 3:59PM

so what do you think of the first pix? unburnished or sintered?

coinsarefun · June 3, 2007 4:08PM

I think it is struck thru grease on both sides.(IMO)
I do not see a darker color for it to be sintered.
As far as unburnished I showed it to everyone at the Long Beach show and they said there are only sintered.

RWB · June 4, 2007 12:00AM

Check with "foundinrolls" to understand the difference between "unburnished" and "sintered." Also, this thread "I just found a John Adams Sintered Planchet error."

The PCGS label appears to be is incorrect.

FredWeinberg · June 4, 2007 12:53AM

It's my understanding that the planchets
are Burnished first, then Annealed.

coinsarefun · June 4, 2007 1:20PM

<< <i>It's my understanding that the planchets
are Burnished first, then Annealed. >>

I came to see you Fred, at the show and yes you were right about it being sintered and now I'm stuck with an $80 sintered GW...

eyoung429 · June 4, 2007 1:44PM

<< <i>

<< <i>It's my understanding that the planchets
are Burnished first, then Annealed. >>

I came to see you Fred, at the show and yes you were right about it being sintered and now I'm stuck with an $80 sintered GW...

>>

You actually doubted Fred????

You should be whipped, stripped and then AT'd out of town!!!

coinsarefun · June 4, 2007 1:47PM

No, I am sorry I meant that I spoke to him and yes he was right. I was agreeing with him. It's just to bad I had to lose $80 x3= $240
Before I found out the difference

eyoung429 · June 4, 2007 1:50PM

ahhh.....sorry to hear about that.

storm888 · June 4, 2007 2:00PM

If you paid by credit-card, you could likely still get a chargeback
decided in your favor.

coinsarefun · June 4, 2007 2:03PM

<< <i>If you paid by credit-card, you could likely still get a chargeback
decided in your favor. >>

That's exactly what I thought of two minutes ago. I am going to see if I can do that. I also emailed all the other guy's that got ripped by this guy. One got ripped for 10 items.

Stay away from this flea bay seller !!!!!

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