Major Adams dollar error

coinsarefun · June 1, 2007 4:15PM

JOHN ADAMS DROPPED LETTER "D" FROM OBV. ON RIM ERROR !

I took that from the top of the listing.
Gotta get this one

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lordmarcovan · June 1, 2007 4:16PM

"Dropped Letter". Hm. That was the term I was looking for when I responded to this thread.

coinsarefun · June 1, 2007 4:17PM

<< <i>"Dropped Letter". Hm. That was the term I was looking for when I responded to this thread. >>

errormaven · June 1, 2007 10:55PM

It's most likely impact damage from the edge of this coin coming in contact with the surface of another coin. A dropped letter is unlikely for several reasons: 1) dropped letters occur during the striking process; 2) no genuine dropped letter has ever been found on the edge of a coin; 3) it's unlikely that a plug of hardened die fill will find its way into the lettering device; 4) it's unlikely that a plug of hardened die fill will orient itself so conveniently in the vertical position against the lettering die or roller.

Numerous claims of dropped letters have been attached to the Washington (and now Adams) dollars. As far as I'm aware, all of them can be attributed to post-production damage.

gonzer · June 1, 2007 11:24PM

Agreed. Gravity would be a factor in the plug remaining upright to be struck into the edge. Dubious.

foundinrolls · June 2, 2007 3:56AM

They do occur and several have been reported and confirmed that are involving the edge.

I have several here and I will try to photograph one today.

Thanks,
Bill

foundinrolls · June 2, 2007 4:36AM

This is a "dropped letter" error on the edge of an Adam's Dollar. It is actually a numeral from the date. It is a 2 that is reversed.

The theory that this was damaged by the edge of another coin doesn't hold as the numeral 2 would not be "backwards" like this one.

fcloud · June 2, 2007 4:54AM

It looks more like impact damage.

foundinrolls · June 2, 2007 5:06AM

explain "impact damage" so I can explain why it's not :-)

foundinrolls · June 2, 2007 5:15AM

I'm all wet on this logic:-) I edited this to reflect that i was incorrect!! Still a good picture of "impact damage" :-)

Impact damage, a term that was invented to describe embossed lettering that is on some of the new dollar coins is the result of one coin being banged into by another coin.

In other words, a raised letter on the obverse or reverse of the coin might have been placed there by the incused edge of a coin striking the surface of another coin.

Also, A raised letter on the edge of a coin that is "impact damage" and caused by the incuse lettering from the edge of another coin would be raised and in the same orientation as the letters on the edge.

The fact that this numeral is oriented in the opposite direction proves that it cant be impact damage. Also the fact that there is no other place where a 2 can be involved but the edge lettering device, leads to the conclusion that this is not impact damage but is the result of a dropped letter error involving the numeral 2.

Thanks,
Bill

fcloud · June 2, 2007 5:22AM

The edge of a coin hit the edge of another coin. In this case the "2" should be raised because it was impacted by another coin.

Here is an "S" on the rim of a Sacagawea Dollar.

fcloud · June 2, 2007 5:25AM

<< <i>Before you try,

Impact damage, a term that was invented to describe embossed lettering that is on some of the new dollar coins is the result of one coin being banged into by another coin.

In other words, a raised letter on the obverse or reverse of the coin might have been placed there by the incused edge of a coin striking the surface of another coin.

Also, A raised letter on the edge of a coin that is "impact damage" and caused by the incuse lettering from the edge of another coin would be raised and in the same orientation as the letters on the edge.

The fact that this numeral is oriented in the opposite direction proves that it cant be impact damage. Also the fact that there is no other place where a 2 can be involved but the edge lettering device, leads to the conclusion that this is not impact damage but is the result of a dropped letter error involving the numeral 2.

Thanks,
Bill >>

Bill, really nice try, but the way the letters are put on the coin is with a machine that has raised letter (thats why the letters are incuse). You cant drop a letter from a raised letter on the die.

foundinrolls · June 2, 2007 5:33AM

How do you explain the numeral being backwards. Why couldnt a letter be dropped from a previously edged coin?

fcloud · June 2, 2007 5:41AM

Look at the S on the Sac rim it is backwards. It takes a backwards letter to make a forwards letter and a forward letter to make a backwards letter.

foundinrolls · June 2, 2007 5:45AM

You Know What...You're RIGHT!!!

Plain and simple, My logic was illogical on this one! I just did a simple test that I should have done in the first place. I used a pencil on the edge of the coin and then "printed" out the result on a piece of paper. The numeral came out exactly the way it looked in my photo:-)
I don't know what I was thinking:-)
OY!!

Thanks,
Bill

AnkurJ · June 2, 2007 6:37AM

I have a washington dollar I found in a roll that has a similar letter on the rim. It looks like an OI or O1 is in front of the "E". Also there is no rim ding, its just how the shadow fell on the coin.

AJ

Writersblock · June 2, 2007 8:14AM

Another problem with the "dropped letter" idea is that the coins are struck horizontally. Once a coin was struck and the dies came apart to release the coin, the hardened lump in the letter would then have to fall sideways (instead of down as gravity usually works) in order to get into the collar. And if some how it did manage to do that, when the next planchet came into the collar it would either push it out or catch it between the planchet and the rev die (the planchet then being at an angle in the collar) So when the dies came together again the "dropped letter" would be smashed into the rim area, not the edge.

Major Adams dollar error

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