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Bogus Busties!
FEVER
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Thought I'd post a bogus Bustie and see if there were any others out there that wanted to post one. This is one of my favorites. It's the only time I ever thought Miss Liberty had an ugly sister!
Edgar
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The "impossible date" 1838 Dav. 3-C:
1833 Dav. 1-A (note that the counterfeiter used the same reverse on the 1833 and 1838):
1830 Dav. 2-B:
Ed. S.
(EJS)
Are these contemporary fakes, or modern work from the Beijing People's Basement Mint?
<< <i>Miss Liberty's sister is kind of fugly.
Yeah, but she's easy.
<< <i>Interesting!
Are these contemporary fakes, or modern work from the Beijing People's Basement Mint? >>
Mine (and the 1837 in the first post) are contemporary.
Ed. S.
(EJS)
Thanks for starting this thread on contemporary counterfeit Busties. Be assured any bogies I post are certainly not owned by me. I sure would not want the Feds knocking on my door.
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Some diagnostics for Bogus 1821 2B very scarce (estimated 3-5):
Obverse 2: Star 7 is shifted to close to cap, and points to the junction of the curl and the headband. There are some lumps above the date. Wide space between 8 and 2.
Reverse: 5 tilts to the left. Top of F is too long. Large C nearly touches the stem.
<< <i>This counterfiet Bust dollar cost me all of $25.
It looks like this has a reverse based on the 1800 "AMERICAI" variety. This is well-known with modern (1960s-1980s vintage) 1804 counterfeits, so I suspect this one is too. Contemporary counterfeit bust dollars are amazingly rare.
Ed. S.
(EJS)
siliconvalleycoins.com
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This looks like 1A, one of the most common Bogies:
Obverse: Large stars, distant from edge. Star 7 nearly touches upper half of headband. Die lump on top of cap, near star 8.
Reverse: Die crud above C in 50 C. Both S's in STATES are too small. Many die lumps, especially above C in 50 C. I is under left side of T.
Hi Edgar,
I can say that of dozens of contemporary counterfeit Bust Halves that I have owned, I have never handled the 1837 variety you posted, even though it is considered "common". That is very cool!
When is Keith going to release the next edition of his book on this subject??
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Some diagnostics for Bogus 1830 3C scarce (estimated 6-9):
Obverse: 0 is too high. Star 7 points too high, to the fold in the cap. Date is too small.
Reverse: 0 in 50C is too high and leans right. CA too small.
Young Numismatist ............................ and growing!
Edgar
Thanks for the pics FEVER. Any edge images?
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<< <i>This counterfiet Bust dollar cost me all of $25.
It looks like this has a reverse based on the 1800 "AMERICAI" variety. This is well-known with modern (1960s-1980s vintage) 1804 counterfeits, so I suspect this one is too. Contemporary counterfeit bust dollars are amazingly rare. >>
that's because there were so few out there that nobody had ever seen one. Almost all were melted or exported as soon as they were struck.
Some diagnostics for Bogus 1833 6F common (estimated 10-19):
Obverse: Star 7 way too high above cap, above the first fold. Portrait looks like former president Clinton. Upper serif on “1” is too long.
Reverse: “C” in “50C” is very large, and higher than “50”. The stand of “B” in “PLURIBUS” is centered below “T”.
No edge shots at the moment - I can't find my edge mirrors!!!
Edgar
Some diagnostics for Bogus 1828 7G rare (estimated 1 or 2):
Obverse: 182 leans right. Portrait shifted to the left. Large thin stars and date.
Reverse: C and A too far apart. A in STATES is higher than the T’s. Second S in STATES is too high.
Notice how poorly it fits into the Capital holder designed for the Lettered Edge Capped Bust Half Dollar.
Some diagnostics for Bogus 1823 1A extremely common (estimated at least 50):
Obverse: Star 7 points to center of headband. There is a centering dot on neck. Stars 4 & 5 are too close. Star 8 nearly touches cap. There is a lump above star 7.
Reverse: Ss in STATES are too small. Raised lumps above C in 50C.
<< <i>A very low grade 1825 1A that sold on eBay yesterday. This one must have fooled a lot of people and circulated for a long time. Compare it to the other 1825 1A from earlier in the thread.
George there was a lot of discussion about your half ATS yesterday.
Some diagnostics for Bogus 1828 1A scarce (estimated 6-9):
Obverse: 2 and 8 are recut. Stars and date are crude and wirey. Triangular eye which is too high. The curls and hat folds are exaggerated.
Reverse: 50 is low and tilted right. Eagle is blind, because it has no eye. I is just right of the center of A.
Do you guys actually own these or are these pics that have been passed around for a while?
Edgar
Some diagnostics for Bogus 1821 2E rare (estimated 1 or 2):
Obverse 2: Star 7 is shifted to close to cap, and points to the junction of the curl and the headband. There are some lumps above the date. Wide space between 8 and 2.
Reverse: Eagle's mouth is open displaying a large tongue, with lower beak curving downward. OF closer to STATES than to AMERICA. Es are too large. I centered between A and T.
My favorite is the copper one.
bob
Thanks Mozin!
Jonathan
mistaken for real pieces..
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<< <i>Miss Liberty's sister is kind of fugly.
Yeah, but she's easy. >>
i heard cheap to. fwiw
<< <i>One of my favorite cause it is Counterstamped...... Only one I have seen as such...
That IS exceptional! I have never seen one.