Results in! Sent in all my Morgans to be graded..

hiijacker · April 23, 2007 8:40AM

I sent all of my raw Morgans in to PCGS grading. As I have received BB's before and hate that, I sent them all in bulk so I only paid for the ones that graded. There were quire a few common ones I probably should not have sent in, but it was worth it because I met the threshold to not have to pay for the ungradd coins. Until I get the coins back I am not entirely sure of how I did, but I am happy overall.

Let me now what you think.

For some reason the shared order link is not working. Here are the grades.

Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 13122503 7218 1892-S $1 US AG03
2 1 13122504 7198 1890-CC $1 US G04
2 2 13122505 7198 1890-CC $1 US G04
3 1 13122506 7126 1881-CC $1 US G06
4 1 13122507 7284 1903 $1 US G06
5 1 13122508 7218 1892-S $1 US VG10
6 1 13122509 7148 1883-S $1 US F15
7 1 13122510 7168 1886-O $1 US F15
8 1 13122511 87260 1899-O $1 Micro O US VF25
9 1 13122512 7148 1883-S $1 US VF30
10 1 13122513 7216 1892-O $1 US VF30
11 1 13122514 7248 1897-O $1 US VF30
12 1 13122515 7356 1921 $1 Peace US VF30
13 1 13122516 7276 1901-S $1 US XF40
14 1 13122517 7364 1924-S $1 US VF35
15 1 13122518 7076 1878 7TF $1 Reverse of 1879 US XF40
16 1 13122519 7256 1898-S $1 US XF45
17 1 13122520 7377 1934-S $1 US XF45
18 1 13122521 7370 1927 $1 US AU50
19 1 13122522 7114 1880-O $1 US AU53
20 1 13122523 7072 1878 8TF $1 US AU55
21 1 13122524 7082 1878-S $1 US AU55
22 1 13122525 7146 1883-O $1 US AU55
23 1 13122526 7158 1885 $1 US AU55
24 1 13122527 7172 1887 $1 US AU55
25 1 13122528 7182 1888 $1 US AU55
26 1 13122529 7188 1889 $1 US AU55
27 1 13122530 7202 1890-S $1 US AU55
27 2 13122531 7202 1890-S $1 US AU55
28 1 13122532 7260 1899-O $1 US AU55
29 1 13122533 7284 1903 $1 US AU55
30 1 13122534 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US AU55
30 2 13122535 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US AU55
30 3 13122536 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US AU55
30 4 13122537 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US AU55
31 1 13122539 7361 1923-D $1 US AU55
32 1 13122540 7369 1926-S $1 US AU55
33 1 13122541 7074 1878 7TF $1 Reverse of 1878 US AU58
33 2 13122542 7074 1878 7TF $1 Reverse of 1878 US AU58
34 1 13122543 7076 1878 7TF $1 Reverse of 1879 US AU58
35 1 13122544 7096 1880 $1 US AU58
36 1 13122545 7130 1881-S $1 US AU58
37 1 13122546 7154 1884-O $1 US AU58
38 1 13122547 7166 1886 $1 US AU58
38 2 13122548 7166 1886 $1 US AU58
39 1 13122549 7204 1891 $1 US AU58
40 1 13122550 7264 1900 $1 US AU58
41 1 13122551 7266 1900-O $1 US AU58
42 1 13122552 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US AU58
42 2 13122553 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US AU58
43 1 13122554 7082 1878-S $1 US MS61
44 1 13122555 7082 1878-S $1 US MS62
45 1 13122556 7084 1879 $1 US AU58
46 1 13122557 7118 1880-S $1 US MS62
47 1 13122558 7130 1881-S $1 US MS62
47 2 13122559 7130 1881-S $1 US MS62
48 1 13122560 7132 1882 $1 US MS62
48 2 13122561 7132 1882 $1 US MS62
49 1 13122562 7140 1882-S $1 US MS62
50 1 13122563 7146 1883-O $1 US MS62
50 2 13122564 7146 1883-O $1 US MS62
51 1 13122565 7154 1884-O $1 US MS62
51 2 13122566 7154 1884-O $1 US MS62
51 3 13122567 7154 1884-O $1 US MS62
52 1 13122568 7158 1885 $1 US MS62
53 1 13122569 7166 1886 $1 US MS62
54 1 13122570 7172 1887 $1 US MS62
55 1 13122571 7182 1888 $1 US MS62
55 2 13122572 7182 1888 $1 US MS62
56 1 13122573 7196 1890 $1 US MS62
57 1 13122574 7260 1899-O $1 US MS62
58 1 13122575 7274 1901-O $1 US MS62
59 1 13122576 7280 1902-O $1 US MS62
59 2 13122577 7280 1902-O $1 US MS62
60 1 13122578 7290 1904 $1 US MS62
61 1 13122579 7292 1904-O $1 US MS62
61 2 13122580 7292 1904-O $1 US MS62
62 1 13122581 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US MS62
62 2 13122582 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US MS62
62 3 13122583 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US MS62
63 1 13122584 7298 1921-D $1 US MS62
63 2 13122585 7298 1921-D $1 US MS62
64 1 13122586 7360 1923 $1 US MS62
65 1 13122587 7072 1878 8TF $1 US MS63
66 1 13122588 7092 1879-S $1 US MS63
67 1 13122589 7126 1881-CC $1 US MS63
68 1 13122590 7146 1883-O $1 US MS63
68 2 13122591 7146 1883-O $1 US MS63
68 3 13122592 7146 1883-O $1 US MS63
69 1 13122593 7154 1884-O $1 US MS63
70 1 13122594 7158 1885 $1 US MS63
71 1 13122595 7162 1885-O $1 US MS63
71 2 13122596 7162 1885-O $1 US MS63
72 1 13122597 7166 1886 $1 US MS63
73 1 13122598 7172 1887 $1 US MS63
74 1 13122599 7188 1889 $1 US MS63
75 1 13122600 7200 1890-O $1 US MS63
76 1 13122601 7254 1898-O $1 US MS63
76 2 13122602 7254 1898-O $1 US MS63
77 1 13122603 7260 1899-O $1 US MS63
77 2 13122604 7260 1899-O $1 US MS63
77 3 13122639 7260 1899-O $1 US MS63
78 1 13122605 7266 1900-O $1 US MS63
79 1 13122606 7274 1901-O $1 US MS63
79 2 13122607 7274 1901-O $1 US MS63
79 3 13122608 7274 1901-O $1 US MS63
80 1 13122609 7280 1902-O $1 US MS63
81 1 13122610 7284 1903 $1 US MS63
82 1 13122611 7292 1904-O $1 US MS63
82 2 13122612 7292 1904-O $1 US MS63
82 3 13122613 7292 1904-O $1 US MS63
82 4 13122614 7292 1904-O $1 US MS63
83 1 13122615 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US MS63
83 2 13122616 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US MS63
83 3 13122617 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US MS63
83 4 13122618 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US MS63
83 5 13122619 7296 1921 $1 Morgan US MS63
84 1 13122620 7092 1879-S $1 US MS64
85 1 13122622 7118 1880-S $1 US MS64
85 2 13122623 7118 1880-S $1 US MS64
85 3 13122624 7118 1880-S $1 US MS64
85 4 13122625 7118 1880-S $1 US MS64
85 5 13122645 7118 1880-S $1 US MS64
86 1 13122626 7130 1881-S $1 US MS64
87 1 13122627 7134 1882-CC $1 US MS64
88 1 13122628 7140 1882-S $1 US MS64
89 1 13122630 7144 1883-CC $1 US MS64
90 1 13122631 7146 1883-O $1 US MS64
91 1 13122632 7152 1884-CC $1 US MS62
92 1 13122633 7154 1884-O $1 US MS64
92 2 13122634 7154 1884-O $1 US MS64
92 3 13122635 7154 1884-O $1 US MS64
93 1 13122636 7162 1885-O $1 US MS64
94 1 13122637 7172 1887 $1 US MS64
95 1 13122638 7260 1899-O $1 US MS64
95 2 13122640 7260 1899-O $1 US MS64
96 1 13122641 7266 1900-O $1 US MS64
97 1 13122642 7284 1903 $1 US MS64
98 1 13122643 7292 1904-O $1 US MS64
98 2 13122644 7292 1904-O $1 US MS64
99 1 13122646 7146 1883-O $1 US MS65
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commoncents05 · April 23, 2007 8:41AM

Order not found.

-Paul

tjkillian · April 23, 2007 8:41AM

The link is asking for a username and password.

IRCWCoins · April 23, 2007 8:41AM

I get "Order not found" when I click that link.

TennesseeDave · April 23, 2007 8:44AM

When I clicked the link my last submission popped up.Is that normal?

WinPitcher · April 23, 2007 8:48AM

Did you get the grades that you expected?

Steve

darktone · April 23, 2007 8:55AM

I am no expert on most of these coins but from what I can tell most of these are not worth paying to be graded. Are there a few key dates in the group that made it pay off? I am thinking you should let a dealer screen these before you do this again.

fc · April 23, 2007 8:58AM

darktone, my thoughts exactly. i thought ppl stored common date
morgans in 62-63 in tubes...

ziggy29 · April 23, 2007 9:01AM

<< I am no expert on most of these coins but from what I can tell most of these are not worth paying to be graded. Are there a few key dates in the group that made it pay off? I am thinking you should let a dealer screen these before you do this again. >>

I don't see any keys (in the grades listed). And I see very few that looks like they they'd get a worthwhile value jump in the plastic. All I see is the coin that graded 65 and the CCs that graded 64. Arguably the '34-S in XF-45, I guess. And *maybe* the VG-10 '92-S (the latter two mostly for authentication that the mintmarks weren't added).

Unless this netted out to little more than $5 per coin, it hardly seems like it should be worth it. Then again, who knows what some people will pay for circulated common dates in pla$tic these days?

HonoluluDude · April 23, 2007 9:02AM

IMHO, money not well spent.

hiijacker · April 23, 2007 9:05AM

I am a little anal. I wanted all of my Morgans in plastic. I also did not want to pay any fees to grade any coins which would get BB'ed. There were a few semi-key dates which did get graded. I probably should have shown them to a dealer first. But I do not have a relationship with a dealer in my area who would be willing to take the time to do that for me. I probably should find a local collector who can help advise me what to do with all of the coins I inherited. I just figured to send in all of the Morgans first under the bulk program. For the rest of the coins which I do not have over a 100 of, I will need someone to help me screen them. If anyone can recommend someone in the Chicago area let me know. I also need to figure out what to do with all of the BB'ed coins. I also just noticed that I had a few key date coins that did not grade, like an 1889-cc

al410 · April 23, 2007 9:08AM

Its money well spent if your happy, not everyone who collects does it for the financial reward. Everyone gets there thrill and satisfaction from coin collecting in different ways. Congrats
AL

fc · April 23, 2007 9:14AM

hiijacker,

i did not mean to give offense. if you are doing this to learn, it
can be quite valuable if you know morgans is your true calling in
this hobby.

i know if i sent in that many half eagles all at once and they came
back with pcgs's current opinion, i would learn a ton!

but it would be a costly lesson.

BECOKA · April 23, 2007 9:14AM

I see a lot of people who want their $5 coins holdered and pay the $18. They just like the look and feel of collecting and storing slabbed coins. There are also the registry people having fun filling in the blank holes and they need a serial number for that.

There are many reasons to spend money on grading even if there is no financial return.

ziggy29 · April 23, 2007 9:21AM

<< I am a little anal. I wanted all of my Morgans in plastic. >>

As long as you understand that it was for your enjoyment and not for financial gain, that's cool.

<< I also need to figure out what to do with all of the BB'ed coins. I also just noticed that I had a few key date coins that did not grade, like an 1889-cc >>

Definitely go to NCS or ANACS with that one. Regardless of the problems, an '89-CC slabbed as authentic by NCS or ANACS is miles better than a raw coin where resale is concerned.

<< I see a lot of people who want their $5 coins holdered and pay the $18. They just like the look and feel of collecting and storing slabbed coins. >>

I guess. Seems foreign to me, though; I'd love to be able to actually feel a well-worn old coin in my hands (sure as heck wouldn't do it with AU/MS/Proof coins) and feel like more of a direct link to history. In the plastic it just seems like my connection with history is once removed. But hey, different strokes and all that.

hiijacker · April 23, 2007 9:25AM

1) I think I will learn a ton from looking at the bb'ed coins that are sent back to me.

2) Considering my cost in these coins (free) I don't think I paid that much per coin to grade. It nets out to something like $11 a coin for the coins that graded and $7.50 overall.

3) If I ever decide to sell some coins, I can now accuralty describe the grade.

BECOKA · April 23, 2007 9:26AM

<< 

<< I see a lot of people who want their $5 coins holdered and pay the $18. They just like the look and feel of collecting and storing slabbed coins. >>

I guess. Seems foreign to me, though; I'd love to be able to actually feel a well-worn old coin in my hands (sure as heck wouldn't do it with AU/MS/Proof coins) and feel like more of a direct link to history. In the plastic it just seems like my connection with history is once removed. But hey, different strokes and all that. >>

Many collectors know very little about grading and don't have the patience to learn. The slabs with the grade is just another way to store them with a little information semi-permanently attached to it.

BAJJERFAN · April 23, 2007 9:34AM

The 81-CC in G06 looks to be your best score as this date and the 85-CC and 03-O are the tougher Morgans to find in circulated grades.

LindeDad · April 23, 2007 9:35AM

<< If I ever decide to sell some coins, I can now accuralty describe the grade. >>

If you ever do sell the plastice will will increase the prices enouph to pay back the investment. At least on eBay I think it will IMO.

hiijacker · April 23, 2007 10:00AM

I forgot to mention also that a number of these coins are toned, as they were sitting in a box for many years. I do not know which coins graded and which did not, but some of these "common coins" may be of interest because of their color.

LucyBop · April 23, 2007 10:08AM

<< 1) I think I will learn a ton from looking at the bb'ed coins that are sent back to me.

2) Considering my cost in these coins (free) I don't think I paid that much per coin to grade. It nets out to something like $11 a coin for the coins that graded and $7.50 overall.

3) If I ever decide to sell some coins, I can now accuralty describe the grade. >>

You go daddy-o!

Myqqy · April 23, 2007 10:17AM

I'm sorry, but I'll never understand collectors that have coins like these graded. Just doesn't make sense at all....

GoldenEyeNumismatics · April 23, 2007 11:27AM

<< I am no expert on most of these coins but from what I can tell most of these are not worth paying to be graded. Are there a few key dates in the group that made it pay off? I am thinking you should let a dealer screen these before you do this again. >>

hiijacker · April 23, 2007 11:37AM

Excatly which coins do you think should not be graded?

1) The common coins entirley?

2) The common coins below (fill in the blank) grade?

3) The low grade CC- dollars? i.e I could sell it for more raw than wit this lower grade, as people mightl think it would grade higher.

4) The low grade semi-key coins?

Which exactly?

mirabela · April 23, 2007 11:38AM

There has to have been a way to get this grading education for less than $350.

fc · April 23, 2007 11:41AM

mirabela,

buy a cheap camera, a hand me down from a member here.
start taking pics of the coin and explain your grading here on
the forums. do a coin a week.

then other members will contribute. in a few short months
the person will know how to grade morgans.

almost free! and you get a camera for 30-50 bucks.. digital..

ziggy29 · April 23, 2007 11:49AM

<< Excatly which coins do you think should not be graded?

1) The common coins entirley?

2) The common coins below (fill in the blank) grade?

3) The low grade CC- dollars? i.e I could sell it for more raw than wit this lower grade, as people mightl think it would grade higher.

4) The low grade semi-key coins?

Which exactly? >>

From a *strictly* financial point of view? I'd say:

* the coins you thought were some of the better mint state coins in the lot (at least 63+)

* the better date coins ('34-S, maybe the better '92-S, and if you thought it might slab at PCGS, the '89-CC). These are the ones that are more commonly faked by altered dates or added mintmarks, and the "piece of mind" factor would convince people to pay a fair bit more for one authenticated by a reputable business with a guarantee.

* the mint state CC coins.

You may find enough people on eBay who value plastic enough to pay a premium for a slabbed AU-50 1887 Morgan (something which is worth little over melt in reality). And if you do, you may do fine.

But there's more to this hobby than strictly financial considerations. (Otherwise it would be strictly a business and not a hobby.)

BAJJERFAN · April 23, 2007 11:51AM

<< Excatly which coins do you think should not be graded? >>

Unless you have a specific reason for wanting them graded i.e. putting together a circ registry set or a grading set there was little reason to submit any of them for grading. Nothing exciting in the bunch except for the 81-cc. Post some pics of the toned ones or the ones that didn't grade.

MORGANHUNTER2 · April 23, 2007 12:04PM

hiijacker- AWESOME!! you get 2 thumbs up for doing what a few dozen folk here are afraid to do- sned them in and get em slabbed no matter what.

We all for the most part have this thing in the back ofour itty bitty heads that in order to slab the coin it must be 'high end'- well sadly how many can do what this person has done for the fun of it.

hiijacker is calling it a LEARNING experience on grading- SO WHAT if his fees are 350 or 1,500.00 total!

He did not say he was out to make a killing on the coins- he wanted them slabbed by the- as we all put it the best in the business. Hell he could have sent them to Anacs on their special and had them all slabbed with a designation for a potential Vam, and known that if the ones he is getting back in a bag the real reason why.

All I have seen as far as posts in the last few months are the MONSTER toners or the 'perfect 70' Jeez- give this man a break- besides it being HIS money spent on the grading- he is doing what a lot of you went years only wanting to do- get them graded- because you had no faith in your own skill at grading a coin.

I said this a long time ago- and it has been said here about 2 million times- grading is not exact, and no coin from the U.S. Mint is friggin perfect- it was made by man- not GOD.

good for you hiijacker- enjoy what you have done- I'm sure that what ever you do with the coins they look good to you and you will be able to LEARN from them.

This place is worse than a hen house with no eggs.

icsoccer · April 23, 2007 12:14PM

Hey, I think it's a great way to see what "they" grade coins. I am cool with the bulk idea, save $, but get results where you can. I am a little lost on what you paid for the submission. $11 ave x 99 graded? Correct? A geat education.... guess what you pay per credit hour.....

Shortgapbob · April 23, 2007 12:30PM

I would not have had the common Morgans graded at all unless they were at least solidly 64 in my eyes. I would only have the more common CC Dollars slabbed if they were mint state. I would probably slab all the better date CC Dollars for authentication purposes. The semi-key date coins are tougher to judge. I would have to evaluate them on a coin by coin basis. It would depends on where I felt my coins graded in relation to grades where there are large price jumps. I would also consider the likelihood of counterfeit specimens on the semi-keys.

clarkbar04 · April 23, 2007 1:45PM

He isn't questioning whether he should've done it or not. Give him a break.

LucyBop · April 23, 2007 2:23PM

<< I'm sorry, but I'll never understand collectors that have coins like these graded. Just doesn't make sense at all.... >>

Some of my coins have some sentimental value to me, and many I have chosen to have slabb'd even though I knew full well they
really were not slabbing candidates...

But I do things I see fit and I choose to do, and I don't seek the understanding of others... Nor do I feel I need to make sense to anybody...

I have my fun with the hobby, in my own way...

One coin at a time, with the Rock'n Roll playing....

hiijacker · April 23, 2007 2:27PM

I am not positive that this coin graded, because I may have sent in more than one 1897-O morgan's, but here is a picture of one of the toned coins I sent in. If this did grade, it only graded a VF30. But the color is gorgeous.

Link

hiijacker · April 23, 2007 2:36PM

Also here is an update to one of my first threads I ever posted regarding the 1899-o's which I recetly submitted. I see only one of the micro o's graded.

Link

hiijacker · April 23, 2007 2:44PM

Here is a picture of the 1889-cc which for some reason did not grade.
Any ideas why it did not grade?

jobiwan115 · April 23, 2007 3:44PM

<< Here is a picture of the 1889-cc which for some reason did not grade.
Any ideas why it did not grade?
>>

Because it's been cleaned? That would be my guess.

numobri · April 23, 2007 4:04PM

About 20 years ago,I payed $550. to take an"ANA" grading course,$350 is cheap.

Brian

hiijacker · April 24, 2007 12:29AM

Why do you say this coins has been cleaned? I don't see any hairlines.

mirabela · April 24, 2007 12:35AM

<< Why do you say this coins has been cleaned? I don't see any hairlines >>

I do. Look on the reverse to viewer's right of the eagle. That field is about the most obvious. It looks like they are fine, but there.

For what it's worth, that's a pretty decent looking upper VF 89-CC, with or without a slab. Not a bad coin!

ziggy29 · April 24, 2007 12:42AM

The '89-CC looks cleaned, but not horribly so. All in all not a bad coin at all. Definitely go to NCS or ANACS with this one. Solid VF-30 details, I'd say.

jobiwan115 · April 24, 2007 2:12AM

<< 

<< Why do you say this coins has been cleaned? I don't see any hairlines >>

I do. Look on the reverse to viewer's right of the eagle. That field is about the most obvious. It looks like they are fine, but there.

For what it's worth, that's a pretty decent looking upper VF 89-CC, with or without a slab. Not a bad coin! >>

Mirabela, thanks for your verification, that's one of the areas that made me think it was. I agree, it does have nice details, and it's one of the cc's that I don't have, so it does have some appeal

WinPitcher · April 24, 2007 2:26AM

Its money well spent if your happy, not everyone who collects does it for the financial reward. Everyone gets there thrill and satisfaction from coin collecting in different ways. Congrats

I agree with that wholeheartedly.

I sent in a few Morgans too that are worth basically the grading fee, Why? They were from my grandfather and i wanted them encapsulated.

Steve

mirabela · April 24, 2007 2:35AM

<< sent in a few Morgans too that are worth basically the grading fee, Why? They were from my grandfather and i wanted them encapsulated. >>

Not that my understanding is necessarily important to anybody else, but this is something I'll never understand. You can get a plastic snap-lok for 75 cents, and it offers pretty much the same protection as a slab.

Results in! Sent in all my Morgans to be graded..

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