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Do we collectors need another coin auction company?

RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
One year ago, I would have answered "No", but today, I think that we do.

One year ago, Heritage was the huge auction conglomerate (that it is today) with massive auctions and market dominance. ANR was the niche, boutique collector-friendly firm with the great service and great catalogs. Bowers and Merena and Superior were losing ground, and Goldberg's was more of a dealer-oriented firm. Stack's was the venerable New York firm that people either loved or hated for their traditional approach and quirkiness.

As a collector, if I were going to auction my collection, it would be between ANR and Heritage.

Fast forward one year, and ANR and Stack's have merged, and, at least to me, the combined entity is looking a lot more like old Stack's than old ANR. Maybe B&M is gaining some ground, but Heritage looks like the only show in town.

I like Heritage and have had many positive experiences with Heritage, but I think that they need some competition.

Any other opinions on this?

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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    david lawrence dot com has entered the fray in the auction business.
    and since he has quite a few "blank i like", i will offer him my business for now.

    so there is one more competitor. any more folks?
  • mhammermanmhammerman Posts: 3,769 ✭✭✭
    David Lawrence has shown more coins at their auctions and in their inventory. I have been watching them, even got one. But, Heritage is still the yard stick for auctions. The only thing I don't like about Heritage is the signature auctions. If you don't attend, you are really laying your money on the table without knowing who is going to bid on what because they take phone bids, ebay bids, internet bids, floor bids...it's almost a crap shoot. With the Heritage on-line bidding for internet only auctions you can see (kinda) what's going on except the internet only auctions have lower quality coins it seems. That's one reason DLRC seems to be worth a look for purchases. That and the fact that they are showing more coins than they used to. Give 'em a chance, they may develop into some serious competition and then every one will gripe about their photos...it's all good.

    Coin ON!
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    How great would it be if several of the young guns in the numismatic world, as well as a consignment director or two (the requisite pretty faces), splintered off from working for The Man™ and started up their own auction firm? I won't name names, but I think if you get a group of ten or so stellar people together (catalog writers/researchers), get some decent financial backing (it is out there), they can really make a run at something special (as I type this I seem to be describing the old ANR). That would be something to see, because there is definitely a niche market for a boutique style auction firm. I would be very supportive of such an enterprise.
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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,256 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Heritage - 800lb Gorilla
    Stacks - Old fart of auction houses, will become less and less relevant over time
    ANR - Ceases to exist, consumed by Stacks
    Bowers & Merena - Feet away from falling off the cliff of relevance
    Superior - Fell off the cliff some time ago
    DLRC - Aspirations to compete but needs to dedicate huge effort to gain more acceptance as a major auction house.
    Legend - Still in infancy stage with auctions, much time is needed to see how they develop.

    So to sum that up, we have one all around good major auction house at the moment...Heritage.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭✭
    we need old ANR again
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,256 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If he ever gets them interent savvy (which he said he is working on), watch out Heritage! >>

    Bingo. In this day and age for any auction house to be a major competitor they are going to have to be a very technologically sophistacted company. An auction house with no website or a weak website simply will not survive as a major auction house any longer. It's the 21st century whether the long beards at Stacks accept it or not. Heritage has embraced the technology and look where it has gotten them.
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,209 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would really like one auction company to step up and tell it like it is: put their reputation behind the coins they sell. No more glowing descriptions of PR70DCAM memorial cents with obvious problems. No more $10 Indians with problems so concrete that it falls off on a felt pad.

    I would really respect an auction company that put their reputation on the line with every coin they sold.
  • Wouldn't Teletrade fall into this category?
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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭


    << <i>We have had to take a short break until I can find an auction director to help out. Physically it was too draining for our current staff to do it.

    But boy did we have some great sales and pick up some great customers! We hope to have the slot filled BEFORE ANA. Believe me, we are NOT done!

    Right now, if I had to guess who a #2 would be-it would be B+M. Deeds has done a remarkable job of bringing them back from the dead. If he ever gets them interent savvy (which he said he is working on), watch out Heritage!

    Stacks just doesn't get it about interent. They also have to integrate ANR better.

    DLRC lacks the crediblity from most major collectors still. But watch out for them too! >>





    Maybe Legend should take this opportunity to start up a traditional auction house, rather than just an internet one. With all of the turmoil currently in the industry, and what seems like people jumping ship at the earliest opportunity, maybe it is time for Legend to poach some top talent from the established auction houses and become the boutique firm that the numismatic community is crying out for.
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Wouldn't Teletrade fall into this category? >>



    I do not think so, for the same reason that I do not consider DLRC an auction house. An auction house should have at least some offering of sight-seen auctions.
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would really like one auction company to step up and tell it like it is: put their reputation behind the coins they sell. No more glowing descriptions of PR70DCAM memorial cents with obvious problems. No more $10 Indians with problems so concrete that it falls off on a felt pad. >>



    They would get no consignments.

    Isn't this what you are supposed to pay your agent for image
  • scherscher Posts: 924
    I say the more the better..competition is good..and the collector can go with best fit.
    Bruce Scher

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