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I need an explanation of the "Potted Palm" routine...

LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
I have heard about the infamous "potted palm" routine. I know in theory that this is a way to bid up the price for a particular coin. However, I am not quite sure how it works. Is there a shill in the audience and bids up the price? Or does the auctioneer actually call out the next bid increment? I assume it is the first scenario, but I would like to know.




[Edited to clarify and not to imply that any auction firms use this strategy; obviously a gross overstatement on my part]. image
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Or does the auctioneer actually point to somewhere in the room and call out the next bid increment, when he is really pointing to no one (or the potted palm in the back of the room)?

    In the context that I have used the term, this description is correct. I would NOT, however, suggest that this occurs in 'almost every auction held by the major firms'.
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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would NOT, however, suggest that this occurs in 'almost every auction held by the major firms'. >>



    .... Winner of the "damning with faint praise" award.

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    Edited to add that in context, I agree. It was just reference to the phrase in Longacre's post.

    but it's still funny.
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My guess is the Potted Palm Routine™ has not been employed by the big firms in recent years, at least not literally. Auctions are more transparent than ever, the trick is illegal, and, if caught, the damage to the business could be catastrophic. It's simply not worth a couple increments, and I really do not think that there is much risk for this.

    However, what I do worry about, is the Internet Potted Plant Routine™. In this case, the bidder has placed his bid online and is 2000 miles away from the live auction, sipping a martini. His auction lot comes up, the book, having no other real bids, rides him up to his max. There is no way for the bidder or the live attendees to have any idea that this is going on. Whenever I see a horrible coin go for strong money, I suspect this. In fact, I have been tempted to way overbid a horrible coin just to test the theory.

    Many collectors and pros here have vastly more auction experience than I do, so I welcome their comments and would generally differ to their observations.
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    ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>In fact, I have been tempted to way overbid a horrible coin just to test the theory. >>



    If you weren't a radiologist, I suspect you'd be jumping a motorcycle over a fountain in Las Vegas.

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    RYK - I share your concern about the internet bidder's max bid getting run up. Anecdotally, I have seen some evidence that this doesn't seem to happen at Heritage as I have bought a few things for 20-60% below my max bid.

    Who is John Galt?
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,172 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The potted palms are usually outbid by the paintings on the wall.image
    All glory is fleeting.

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