How do you feel about this Lincoln VDB's color and grade? UPDATED WITH TRUEVIEW PIC.

jmj3esq · April 9, 2007 11:07PM

PCGS bagged this beauty over a year ago for "questionable color". Im not completely sure about that and want to send it back under the quarterly special. Is the color that "questionable". Should I save my time and money? What would you grade it?

jmj3esq · April 9, 2007 11:45PM

Anybody? The Lincoln guys must be sleeping.

keets · April 9, 2007 11:52PM

what's the quarterly special??

Jcarney · April 9, 2007 11:54PM

Looks OK to me. I don't know that it's worth slabbing unless you can get a 66+.

ziggy29 · April 9, 2007 11:55PM

Doesn't look bad to me, but then this might be one of those things where you need to see the coin in hand before making such a decision, and where an image might not be showing something that PCGS saw.

jmj3esq · April 9, 2007 11:58PM

It worth slabbing under the free quarterly special considering MS65s are going for well over $100 right now. That is its worth it to me anyway.

Jcarney · April 10, 2007 12:08AM

<< <i>It worth slabbing under the free quarterly special considering MS65s are going for well over $100 right now. That is its worth it to me anyway. >>

Oh absolutely. Free is always good.

291fifth · April 10, 2007 12:08AM

The obverse looks a bit odd. It may be a very high end AU that has been worked on.

jmj3esq · April 10, 2007 12:12AM

I dont think its AU. It is very clean of marks. The color does look like is a little weak. Like it may have been soaked in a dilute acid such as lemon juice to remove the "brown" color. In any event it has begun to retone and wonder if it is market acceptable.

TwoSides2aCoin · April 10, 2007 12:58AM

I don't know Joseph...

Methinks it's sad if someone used anything on a RB coin to try and make it RD. That's my hunch. These coins tend to go yellow (jaundice) after they get treatment from an ANTI-Numismatist with chemicals.

Market acceptable ? To some, yes. To others... NEVER !
It's a nicely struck coin, that is for sure.

Longacre · April 10, 2007 1:01AM

Color looks odd to me

ColonialCoinUnion · April 10, 2007 1:08AM

I think it's odd, but I could also imagine it grading on a different day.

foundinrolls · April 10, 2007 9:25AM

color looks off, and there is wear on Lincoln's eyebrow, beard and cheek. Its gonna come in around AU 58 if the color doesn't bag it again.

Swampboy · April 10, 2007 9:56AM

<< <i>what's the quarterly special?? >>

Quarterly Collectors Club Submission Special

cladking · April 10, 2007 10:00AM

It's hard to say from the picture. They might not like the mismatch between obv and rev.

Either one would look OK by itself but that obv looks wrong on that coin.

LeeG · April 10, 2007 10:10AM

I think it would grade but not at the level expected.

OneCent · April 10, 2007 11:07AM

jmj3 - I think that is a very nice looking coin. VDB's are definitely HOT and if reasonable expectations were for a 64 or 65 then I would definitely send the coin.

My personal belief based upon the pictures is that there is ever so slight rub on the ear...chances are that it would grade AU58.

On a side note, on my first submission I slabbed a 1929 brown lincoln with expectations of a 64. It was a real nice coin, not monster toned just a real nice brown cent with lots of original luster. I submitted it purely to "test" my grading abilities and the coin graded 64BN. Lost about $3 when I sold it this weekend. The $3 was well worth the educational experience. That said, send it to be graded to see if your own intuitions are correct. The worst that could happen is that your out $11.60? Worth the price to satisfy your curiousity.

DJCoinz · April 10, 2007 11:11AM

That is a beautiful coin...IMO it should get at least MS64, to me it doesn't look altered, but then I'm nowhere close to being an expert on determining alterations.

droopyd · April 10, 2007 1:07PM

Looks OK to me - maybe a 64 but looks like it might be a but dull on the lustre front. Probably RB.

pb2y · April 10, 2007 3:57PM

EF-45 and so being would have little or no red or mint shine, thus, wrong color.

lordmarcovan · April 10, 2007 4:06PM

Looks OK to me, but what do I know?

seateddime · April 10, 2007 9:50PM

what about this one?

BobaFett72 · April 10, 2007 10:46PM

high grade AU or ms-60?

do you really think its MS-65?

jmj3esq · April 10, 2007 10:56PM

No I dont think its realy MS65. It is definately MS though. If you say it in hand there are adsolutely no contatc marks or circulation marks in the field. There are a few small hits on Abe himself and a few small marks on the reverse lettering. I see what some may be refering to as wear on Abe's head. I dont think what you are seeing is wear of any kind. I truly beleive the high points on the obverse were weakly struck, thus lacking deatil on ear, hair, etc. The total lack of marks in the field lead my to beleive this as a MS coin. IF you saw it in hand it looks more beautiful. It has a nice darker rim tone from sitting in my 7070 for a year and a half. I dont think I will get a grade from PCGS as the color is still off. Im just sending it in while it is cheap and I love the coin. If all fails it will just go back in the 7070. Thanks for the input.

Connecticoin · April 11, 2007 1:01AM

Looks AU, likely AU55 -- appears to be some very noticable above the ear and on the cheek. Not worth submitting. Looks like some residue spotting) from a softflip may be on it as well -- might want to soak it in acetone.

jmj3esq · April 18, 2007 3:29AM

Well, I sent it in on my quarterly grading special. Again, I got a body bag for questionable color. Oh, well. Back into the 7070 she goes. Here is a Trueview pic of the coin. The rim tone occured after I placed it into my Dansco 7070 a little over a year ago.:

joefro · April 18, 2007 4:49AM

It is the orangish color a bit out from the rim that made this BB. That is the sign of a prior cleaning with chemicals. The color I am talking about is very noticeable on the reverse below E. Pluribus Unum and above "ONE". The center of the coin is very bright and the rims still look almost brown with a funky transition in between. A natural Lincoln would not tone in this way. Copper does not tone like Silver where you often see rim toning only. I can't think of too many Lincolns where only the outer edges of the coin were toned but the center is still very lustrous. Just my 2 cents. Sorry I didn't see this thread before you resubmitted, but it might not have changed your mind anyway.

clackamas · April 18, 2007 4:54AM

The coin is MS, its just that its so common its not worth slabbing.

jmj3esq · April 18, 2007 5:01AM

The rim tone started AFTER i put it into the Dansco album. I was told once by a dealer that he thinks the coin was soaked in lemon juice. Thats what gives it that orange color. I was not at all convinced it would slab, but I wanted to gice it one more shot while the grading was cheap. I still think it looks neat.

droopyd · April 18, 2007 11:54AM

<< <i>A natural Lincoln would not tone in this way. Copper does not tone like Silver where you often see rim toning only. I can't think of too many Lincolns where only the outer edges of the coin were toned but the center is still very lustrous. >>

Au contraire. I have a few Lincolns that are like that -- definitely AT (Album Toning). Some of the pre-1980s albums really did a number on the coins, even coppers.

droopyd · April 18, 2007 11:55AM

<< <i>The rim tone started AFTER i put it into the Dansco album. >>

That's why I don't do Dansco anymore.

OneCent · April 18, 2007 12:21PM

The color looks 100% legit. Outrage! I think that PCGS has really put the brakes-on regarding color as of late...any color that is not unquestionably original.

Sorry to here about the BB.

How do you feel about this Lincoln VDB's color and grade? UPDATED WITH TRUEVIEW PIC.

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