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What happens to all of the fake, altered date, mintmark etc. coins that collectors and dealers get s

A dishonest person will probably try and sell them to the unsuspecting, that is a given but how about someone who is honest?

Do you take a hacksaw or something similar and just cut the coin in two and throw it away so nobody else ever gets stuck with it
or keep it yourself as a learning tool? It seems to me that with all of the books out there on counterfeit detection the best thing
to do would be to destroy it so that it never falls into unwary hands by accident.

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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    i keep 'em for future reference.

    K S
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've got one, an 1846 Seated Half Dime, altered date. As long as it's in my collection it won't be advertised as a real 1846. I may counterstamp the reverse if I ever get rid of the coin just to make sure no one is ever scammed with it.

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  • ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Many dealers keep what is called a "black book" which contains the fakes that they have bought.....most of these come in on the bulk deals when the dealers doesnt look at each piece but rather buys say $100 of silver etc....
    Jon Lerner - Scarsdale Coin - www.CoinHelp.com
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i think some get saved but the vast majority just get passed along and another collector/dealer gets duped.
  • They go into our "Black Cabinet" for reference.
  • They get sold cheap and eventually make their way to ebay.
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  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have seen my dealers "Black Book" (which is indeed black). Some of the coins are incredible, never believe they are fakes.

    They only "fakes" they sell are gold coins (which are real gold) to people for jewelry. Looks good, is real gold, and they are going to ruin it anyway mounting it in a bezel.

    Edited to add: There is full disclosure when they sell them for jewelry.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • I know a local dealer who collects them and "retires" them from the collecting community. He also does presentations to show what to look for. some of what he has is very deceptive especially the gold.
  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    The dealer I work for keeps some them as references, and some of them he cuts out for jewelry pieces.

    -Paul
    Many Quality coins for sale at http://www.CommonCentsRareCoins.com
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The "Strange Date" coins such as the counterfeit 1923-D and 1930-D dimes I would be an active buyer for, and would put them in the "black book". Obvious counterfeits I would keep for comparison with genuine coins of the same date. Another thing that can be done is donate them to the ANA for their Counterfeit Detection classes. Certainly they should not be sold, because they might eventually be sold as genuine to some unsuspecting buyer.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    I keep mine in a box. I do, however, sell the gold ones to people that I know will melt them.

    Some counterfeit coins are collectible, but those are generally the ones that were done contemporaneously with the genuine issued coins. Some actually sell for a pretty penny.

    Then there are the historic electro's that many specialists will purchase as an addition to their collections.

    Many of the fakes end up being donated to educational programs that use them for instruction, like the ANA in their counterfeit programs.

    All dealers have them. Most were purchased knowingly but, unfortunately, some are discovered after purchase.
    PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

    eBaystore
  • hookooekoohookooekoo Posts: 381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I've got one, an 1846 Seated Half Dime, altered date. As long as it's in my collection it won't be advertised as a real 1846. I may counterstamp the reverse if I ever get rid of the coin just to make sure no one is ever scammed with it.

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    With the exception of the altered date, that's a lovely coin.

    My first thought is that the altered date is so obvious, that the coin doesn't need to be counterstamped at all.

    My second thought is that if you insist on a counter stamp, how about stamping "XXXX" over the altered date. That way you're only destroying a part of the coin someone else as already messed with, and leaving the rest of the beauty of the coin untouched.
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,258 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My second thought is that if you insist on a counter stamp, how about stamping "XXXX" over the altered date. That way you're only destroying a part of the coin someone else as already messed with, and leaving the rest of the beauty of the coin untouched. >>

    I'll leave the date as it is so whoever owns it can see the metal movement and study it. A small "A.D." stamped on the reverse field under DIME would be enough to take care of it.
  • I've got one. It's a 1796 120 Grana from Naples? A very large coin with king Ferdinand the fourth on the obverse.
    The coin is supposed to be solid silver. Mine is silver plated with the plating very worn to reveal copper underneath. My feeling is this coin was made way back in the day. I do not think someone faked the wear because why would you want to reveal the copper? My guess is that before the US made it's own coins, this was used and accepted by merchants. Then they passed it off as change.
    The origin is unknown. But as a fake I feel it is worth something so I am keeping it.

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