Some disturbing language in the Breen Half Cent Encyclopedia...
Longacre
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I was reading the Breen Half Cent Encyclopedia. I don’t want to overdo this, but I found some of the language in the book disturbing, especially considering things that came to light about Breen after the book was published. Please tell me if this quote is something that should be in a coin book:
“...it is time we begin deleting one phrase from numismatic vocabularies which has been illegitimately occupying them for a century: “suction marks.” First of all, dies cannot suck! Younger collectors have been known to giggle at the term, sometimes even asking such questions as, “Did somebody give Miss Liberty a hickey?”, or even alluding to the presence of Count Dracula at the Mint. The phrase is a solecism for clash marks... .”
“...it is time we begin deleting one phrase from numismatic vocabularies which has been illegitimately occupying them for a century: “suction marks.” First of all, dies cannot suck! Younger collectors have been known to giggle at the term, sometimes even asking such questions as, “Did somebody give Miss Liberty a hickey?”, or even alluding to the presence of Count Dracula at the Mint. The phrase is a solecism for clash marks... .”
Always took candy from strangers
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
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<< <i>A healthy mind cannot be disturbed by language. >>
Tell that to Alex de Large
<< <i>A healthy mind cannot be disturbed by language. >>
Great words of wisdom.
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<< <i>A healthy mind cannot be disturbed by language. >>
Tell that to Alex de Large
He qualified his position with the word "healthy" (which pretty much excludes Alex). Do Andy's words disturb you?
Edited to add: It's not the language that's disturbing, it's the thoughts it can evoke, even in a healthy mind. In fact, it's likely that only an unhealthy mind is not disturbed by evocative language.
A healthy mind does not rely on broad generalizations....
I didn't read anything inapproiate in that paragraph.
What do you think was going through Breens' dark and evil mind, when he wrote it, Longacre?
I've been collecting 50 years and never used the term "suction marks" for die clashes.
He was right in that it's an improper term.
Ray
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I have more problem with the term "suction marks" that Breen's wording here. Suction marks make no sense to me.
i find it ridiculous that people refuse to say the "F" word in public or anywhere else, yet will gladly say "frickin" or it's close cousin "freakin" with unabashed enthusiasm-----------even on Television. Geez Louise, i did a short rant on this very subject in the now defunct open forum. people aren't allowed to say the "F" word, everyone knows that so they substitute "fricken" in it';s place, everyone knows that they really mean the "F" word and it's OK?????????
why not just say what you mean and be done with it???
why not go out into the yard and holler Hickey and be done with it???
why not tell Consuela to lighten up on the starch and be done with it???
Geez, you are truly wound too, too tight with this one!!!
<< <i>I must be dense. Can you explain just what is "disturbing" about the language? I see nothing inappropriate. >>
Breen was a known pedophile. I'm guessing Longacre was tying the two together since Breen's mind went from suction mark to young children.
Rob
I believe I could be wrong though, it's happened before.
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Cuz you'll get frickin' tossed off the freakin' forum
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<< <i>I must be dense. Can you explain just what is "disturbing" about the language? I see nothing inappropriate. >>
Breen was a known pedophile. I'm guessing Longacre was tying the two together since Breen's mind went from suction mark to young children.
Rob
I believe I could be wrong though, it's happened before. >>
I heard somewhere that the specific incident that sent Breen to prison involved the children of a coin dealer for whom he was
cataloging an auction at the time.
I took a course in high school called The Bible as literature. The women who taught it was a devout christan. Her pet peeve was hearing someone say "gosh darn it" . She believed that you were taking the lords name in vain in your heart and just substituting different words.
I was reading the Breen Half Cent Encyclopedia. I don’t want to overdo this, but I found some of the language in the book disturbing, especially considering things that came to light about Breen after the book was published. Please tell me if this quote is something that should be in a coin book:
“...it is time we begin deleting one phrase from numismatic vocabularies which has been illegitimately occupying them for a century: “suction marks.” First of all, dies cannot suck! Younger collectors have been known to giggle at the term, sometimes even asking such questions as, “Did somebody give Miss Liberty a hickey?”, or even alluding to the presence of Count Dracula at the Mint. The phrase is a solecism for clash marks... .”
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Breen is referring to the wording used by M.L. Beistle in his Register of Half Dollar Die Varieties and Sub-Varieties, published in 1929. Beistle used the term “suction” to refer to what we now call “clashed dies.” Prior to Overton, Beistle was the standard reference in this series.
Denga
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I took a course in high school called The Bible as literature. The women who taught it was a devout christan. Her pet peeve was hearing someone say "gosh darn it" . She believed that you were taking the lords name in vain in your heart and just substituting different words. >>
I'm that way with my kids and they can't stand it. They aren't allowed to say any of the slightly different variations either. Well, the oldest one is getting a little slack but hey, I like double standards.
Anyway, the list of no-no's...shoot, shucks, darn, darn it, dang, dang it, mother fudger (my boy said that one)...which leads me to a funny story. At a baseball game last year, my wife and me were watching our boy, James (7 at the time, now 8), on the bench (his team was batting so no "your kid is a bench warmer" cracks). He turns to the kid next to him and is watching us as he mouths the "F dash dash dash" word to his friend. We immediately call him back to us...only about 10 feet and both the boys come our way. So we ask James what he said and he says he can't remember (lie number one...I can't stand lies!!!). So after the battle of wits rages on a little longer my wife tells him to spell it. He says "F" and then says I don't remember what comes next and immediately his teammate chimes in "Yes you do James, U-C-K". Needless to say he ate soap after the game but my wife and I still get a laugh at that. But I digress; I'll spare you the rest of the list.
Sorry Longacre, not trying to steal your thread.
Rob
I believe our 3-year-old has the dirtiest mouth; she gets it from daycare and movies.
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If I could stick a knife in my heart
suicide right on stage
would it be enough for your teenage lust?
would it help to ease your pain?........"I know it's only rock and roll".....The Rolling Stones.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Someone is just stirring the pot.