eBay listings to be delayed under new policy - Makes 1 day listing useless as I found out the hard w

Texast · April 12, 2007 9:34PM

This was in the April 9th bulletin, in my opinion eBay shot themselves in the foot on this one. This explains why it took 10 hours for one of my one day listings to be indexed.

<< Proactive Fraud Reduction
Today I want to let buyers and sellers know about another security measure we're taking. For safety reasons, items reportedly most favored by fraudsters may not be viewable for several hours before the listings are indexed into Search results. These new listings are still viewable on the site through My eBay or if you search for the specific item number; however, they are not immediately visible through a keyword search or Browse.

To maximize exposure for these listings and ensure that buyers who browse by category see these items, we've made an important change. Any listings impacted by this review process will appear in the "Newly Listed" sort based on when they are made visible in Search (as opposed to when they are listed.) This ensures they will appear at the top of default Browse results - as well as within the "Newly Listed" sort option for Search - where they belong.

What kinds of listings will be impacted?
Unfortunately, it's not possible for us to give you criteria, because that information could be used by scammers to work around our Trust and Safety efforts. Overall, however, we expect this security measure to impact only a fraction of listings.

Let me say that I understand that this has some impact for our sellers, but with the change to how we sort listings, and the fact that most bidding occurs in the final 12 hours of a listing, we believe it's the right step to take. I know we share the same goal – to keep eBay a welcoming, safe marketplace for both our buyers and our sellers. >>

COINB0Y · April 12, 2007 9:49PM

I knew it!

It effects ALL LISTINGS!!

A 10 Day listing is really 9 Days! That is why when quickly check a brand new listing NOTHING ever shows in the search nor in the cross-promotion!!

Absolute BS!

mikeJ · April 12, 2007 10:13PM

Will thIs affect the listing insertion time from when you actually list an item ?

seateddime · April 12, 2007 10:13PM

another way to make me less money on ebay

OKbustchaser · April 12, 2007 10:24PM

Cool, now maybe when I convince a seller to end an auction and relist with a BIN I will be able to get to it before any of you other vultures.

AuldFartte · April 13, 2007 2:49AM

Mine have typically been delayed by about 12 hours.

COINB0Y · April 13, 2007 2:50AM

Texast,

I really thought I was going crazy because of this 'delay' I even cancelled 3-4 hours after I listed because I thought I did something wrong. Of course I was charged.

This info will be the basis of a HUGE Class Action. Ebay has made a huge mistake.

They have been charging everyone for less Auction than we've contracted for and they advertise.

flaminio · April 13, 2007 2:53AM

One day listings have always been useless. In my travels, they're mostly used by scammers who want to get the auction done quick before the anyone catches on. Good riddance.

7 and 10 day auctions would be relatively unaffected. All the good bidding happens on the last day anyway, and there is still plenty of time for everyone's saved searches to trigger.

The 3-day auction I see as being most adversely affected. If there's a delay upfront, and it happens across a weekend, your target audience might not find out about the auction until it's already closed. That'd suck.

robertpr · April 13, 2007 2:54AM

This info will be the basis of a HUGE Class Action. Ebay has made a huge mistake.

They have been charging everyone for less Auction than we've contracted for and they advertise.

I agree.

flaminio · April 13, 2007 2:54AM

<< Cool, now maybe when I convince a seller to end an auction and relist with a BIN I will be able to get to it before any of you other vultures.

>>

When you do that, have the seller set up a pre-approved bidder list for the auction, and put only your ID on it. That'll keep the vultures away.

COINB0Y · April 13, 2007 2:55AM

I hope Russ would check-in here and give an opinion on this BS.

For everyone, quickly check a brand new listing and you will see NOTHING in a search nor anything in your the cross-promotion page. It will be 'listed' but in quaranteen (sp) until Ebay 'releases' it

LALASD4 · April 13, 2007 2:57AM

I think the listings would appear if you change to another category and change back if it does not appear on a search right away.

BobaFett72 · April 13, 2007 2:58AM

"One day listings have always been useless. In my travels, they're mostly used by scammers who want to get the auction done quick before the anyone catches on. Good riddance."

I concur, no offense to anyone who uses the one day listings, but 90% of them are utter crap, hype, scam auctions that prey on folks.

There was always a delay when listing the auctions, but EBAY should charge you less

LOL. yeah, thats gonna happen!

mackdriver · April 13, 2007 2:58AM

Let me get this straight.Then i should start my listing at 10 am so it will show up at 10 pm ?

COINB0Y · April 13, 2007 3:01AM

There was always a delay when listing the auctions,

Not like this! I am talking you don't see it for a day sometimes.

This is absolutley going to cost them millions as the lawyers will start on them very soon.

Hell, get that idiot lawyer attempting the Class Action on those dealers in Texas.

Like a fly to honey, he will file!

Texast · April 13, 2007 3:17AM

Coinboy is right, I have seen where my auctions havent had any visits for an entire day, but it will end X number of days and at the same time after you list it, what use to be a seven day listing is now more like a 6 1/2 day listing, they say it's to prevent fraud, they even invented the word "Fraudster" I would think if you had an account in good standing, a good feedback rating and had been with eBay for a while your listing would get a pass, yet with all the hijacking of accounts it is understandable they would do something, but I doubt they they could screen the listings even during that time period. As far as one day listings I always liked to use them on items that are fresh from the mint and first to market, I lost money by not using it the day the smooth dollar craze broke.

Wolf359 · April 13, 2007 4:12AM

I'm sure if what people are saying here is true, there will be wide screaming in the eBay community and it won't last. As far as threatening lawsuits, that just won't be necessary. If it costs 1/2 day to review, then eBay should extend the time once the listing is approved.

Besides, it would seem to me they can simply filter 50% of the scammers out by removing China sellers, anyone suddenly selling very expensive items who never did before, and refusing to allow zero feedback sellers with $10,000 items, as I stated before.

coinpictures · April 13, 2007 4:18AM

<< I'm sure if what people are saying here is true, there will be wide screaming in the eBay community and it won't last. As far as threatening lawsuits, that just won't be necessary. If it costs 1/2 day to review, then eBay should extend the time once the listing is approved. >>

Egads, I hope not!

Right now, if I want an auction to end at 8pm CST on a Sunday, I know to list the coin at 8pm CST on a Sunday using a 7-day duration. If there's some nebulous 6-18 hour "extension" mechanism, when do I post the listing? There is no "End Time" in auction posting options, just immediate upon posting, or a scheduled start time (which costs additional to use).

BLEAGH.

basestealer · April 13, 2007 4:20AM

<< I'm sure if what people are saying here is true, there will be wide screaming in the eBay community and it won't last. As far as threatening lawsuits, that just won't be necessary. If it costs 1/2 day to review, then eBay should extend the time once the listing is approved.

Besides, it would seem to me they can simply filter 50% of the scammers out by removing China sellers, anyone suddenly selling very expensive items who never did before, and refusing to allow zero feedback sellers with $10,000 items, as I stated before. >>

Please tell me, if new eBayers are refused to list high ticket items, and anyone who never sold a high ticket item before is refused to list high ticket items, how does one ever earn the right to list a high ticket item? As for banning China, that's a great way to destroy eBay stock. Not ever Chinese seller is a scammer. Racism and ethnocentrism and profiling isn't a viable way to combat fraud on eBay.

flaminio · April 13, 2007 4:26AM

<< As for banning China, that's a great way to destroy eBay stock. Not every Chinese seller is a scammer. Racism and ethnocentrism and profiling isn't a viable way to combat fraud on eBay. >>

Aside from that, eBay is spending millions trying to build their market share in China. Banning Chinese sellers would be rather counterproductive to that goal.

Wolf359 · April 13, 2007 4:28AM

<< 

<< I'm sure if what people are saying here is true, there will be wide screaming in the eBay community and it won't last. As far as threatening lawsuits, that just won't be necessary. If it costs 1/2 day to review, then eBay should extend the time once the listing is approved. >>

Egads, I hope not!

Right now, if I want an auction to end at 8pm CST on a Sunday, I know to list the coin at 8pm CST on a Sunday using a 7-day duration. If there's some nebulous 6-18 hour "extension" mechanism, when do I post the listing? There is no "End Time" in auction posting options, just immediate upon posting, or a scheduled start time (which costs additional to use).

BLEAGH. >>

Well exactly as I said. I don't think it'll fly with the eBay community, but any lawsuit threat is resolved by extending listings (2 different things).

basestealer · April 13, 2007 4:30AM

<< 

<< As for banning China, that's a great way to destroy eBay stock. Not every Chinese seller is a scammer. Racism and ethnocentrism and profiling isn't a viable way to combat fraud on eBay. >>

Aside from that, eBay is spending millions trying to build their market share in China. Banning Chinese sellers would be rather counterproductive to that goal. >>

That's right, and China is the largest untapped market there is. eBay's stock price has been based on projected business in the future rather than current sales data for a long time. If eBay can't raid China, someone else will. I do agree that there is a high rate of counterfeits and fraud originating from Chinese sellers, but Chinese street merchants also "specialize" in counterfeits--so it's a culture that is going to have to quickly adapt itself to the American marketplace.

Wolf359 · April 13, 2007 4:31AM

<< 

<< I'm sure if what people are saying here is true, there will be wide screaming in the eBay community and it won't last. As far as threatening lawsuits, that just won't be necessary. If it costs 1/2 day to review, then eBay should extend the time once the listing is approved.

Besides, it would seem to me they can simply filter 50% of the scammers out by removing China sellers, anyone suddenly selling very expensive items who never did before, and refusing to allow zero feedback sellers with $10,000 items, as I stated before. >>

Please tell me, if new eBayers are refused to list high ticket items, and anyone who never sold a high ticket item before is refused to list high ticket items, how does one ever earn the right to list a high ticket item? As for banning China, that's a great way to destroy eBay stock. Not ever Chinese seller is a scammer. Racism and ethnocentrism and profiling isn't a viable way to combat fraud on eBay. >>

I've explained how you earn the right before. Note the "as I stated before" in my post.

Why would you care if eBay stock takes a dump? It will, regardless, if it continues to be a haven for scammers. It's a problem that has to
be addressed, and there's nothing racist about it.

Tell me basestealer what is your solution?

basestealer · April 13, 2007 4:33AM

Extending the listings won't help because we all know that the best time for an auction to end is between 6PM and 11PM. If they arbitrarily take 6 hours to review the listing, and then extend it an additional 6 hours, the auction is suddenly ending at 5 in the morning, or whatever, and it will seriously impact the closing price. It would be better if they didn't extend it at all.

flaminio · April 13, 2007 4:33AM

<< Why would you care if eBay stock takes a dump? >>

Well, I care, because I own eBay stock.

basestealer · April 13, 2007 4:35AM

I care about stocks I hold a position in taking a dive, generally. Not sure how I get around that when dreaming up policies that would have absolutely no effect on fraud, but a crippling effect on the free market place, as well as destroying a company's stock and changing its business model.

Wolf359 · April 13, 2007 4:44AM

<< Extending the listings won't help because we all know that the best time for an auction to end is between 6PM and 11PM. If they arbitrarily take 6 hours to review the listing, and then extend it an additional 6 hours, the auction is suddenly ending at 5 in the morning, or whatever, and it will seriously impact the closing price. It would be better if they didn't extend it at all. >>

And I agree. But the scamming issue needs to be addressed. How would you do it?

robertpr · April 13, 2007 4:48AM

<< Extending the listings won't help because we all know that the best time for an auction to end is between 6PM and 11PM. If they arbitrarily take 6 hours to review the listing, and then extend it an additional 6 hours, the auction is suddenly ending at 5 in the morning, or whatever, and it will seriously impact the closing price. It would be better if they didn't extend it at all. >>

That's also true. I don't think there would be much harm in reviewing these auctions while they're live on the system. If they get removed, sobeit. Another good solution would be to ID verify all sellers (hey, they do that now!) and keep a whitelist. Anything suspicious (for instance, going online from a different IP address than usual) could be reviewed. As I said though, while the auction is live. The only thing they would need to keep inactive is the Buy It Now. Or they could even allow Buy it Now's, but keep the transaction from actually occuring until it's reviewed.

basestealer · April 13, 2007 4:49AM

<< 

<< Extending the listings won't help because we all know that the best time for an auction to end is between 6PM and 11PM. If they arbitrarily take 6 hours to review the listing, and then extend it an additional 6 hours, the auction is suddenly ending at 5 in the morning, or whatever, and it will seriously impact the closing price. It would be better if they didn't extend it at all. >>

And I agree. But the scamming issue needs to be addressed. How would you do it? >>

The scamming issue needed addressed 8 years ago when I was actively trying to "help" eBay. Over the years, watching one policy change after another that effectively hid fraud on the site, I realized eBay was not interested in cleaning up fraud. They don't lift a finger to investigate anything listed on their site without a member report, and they've taken steps to ensure that members cannot see enough to effectively file a report. So I guess I'm not actively trying to find solutions anymore. To whom would I suggest such a solution? The very powers that have made it clear they aren't interested, or preach to the choir?

(PS: 1 day auctions are a new phenomenon. Reversing the 1 day auction "feature" would be a solution)

Wolf359 · April 13, 2007 4:57AM

<< 

<< 

<< Extending the listings won't help because we all know that the best time for an auction to end is between 6PM and 11PM. If they arbitrarily take 6 hours to review the listing, and then extend it an additional 6 hours, the auction is suddenly ending at 5 in the morning, or whatever, and it will seriously impact the closing price. It would be better if they didn't extend it at all. >>

And I agree. But the scamming issue needs to be addressed. How would you do it? >>

The scamming issue needed addressed 8 years ago when I was actively trying to "help" eBay. Over the years, watching one policy change after another that effectively hid fraud on the site, I realized eBay was not interested in cleaning up fraud. They don't lift a finger to investigate anything listed on their site without a member report, and they've taken steps to ensure that members cannot see enough to effectively file a report. So I guess I'm not actively trying to find solutions anymore. To whom would I suggest such a solution? The very powers that have made it clear they aren't interested, or preach to the choir?

(PS: 1 day auctions are a new phenomenon. Reversing the 1 day auction "feature" would be a solution) >>

Good points all, basestealer. If they really wanted to clean it up, it would happen and they don't need our help.

eBay listings to be delayed under new policy - Makes 1 day listing useless as I found out the hard w

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