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How come dealers don't do the fishbowl/business card trick at shows?

LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
Although I am not in the coin dealing business, I suppose that the more contacts you make the better off your business is. Also, in today's day and age, the best way to reach a lot of customers is to get their email addresses and occasionally send them an email with newps, updates on the market, etc.

I was at a tax conference recently, and about 30 tax service providers set up booths at the conference to describe the services that they offer. At each booth was the requisite propaganda from each firm, as well as a rep to answer questions. Also at each booth, was a fishbowl. You were asked to put your business card in the fishbowl, and each night after the conference meetings, a card was drawn and prizes were given out. These prizes were things like video iPods, electronics, etc. Because tax people are always looking for something for nothing, each of these bowls were filled with business cards. Of course, the real purpose of the contest is to get information on as many people as possible.

Does anyone know why this concept is not used at large coin conventions? It would seem to be a good way to get lots of contact details, email addresses, etc. of potential customers, with very little cost.
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  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Does anyone know why this concept is not used at large coin conventions? >>


    Because its cheesy?





    Oh wait, nevermind.









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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    Seems to me to be a good way to get lots of contact details, email addresses, etc. of people who want to get stuff for free... image
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    1. Get a fish bowl.

    2. Cold call all the guys who leave one.

    3. (I presume) go door to door in your neighborhood with a briefcase filled with coins?

  • Sounds like a good idea in order to meet new contacts and customers alike.image
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  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
    My Brother had one of those at his golf shop in North Plainfield NJ but not for salesmens business cards. It was more cash. Cash for donations to the local dog rescues. He and his Wife ran one on the side ( It's a Ruff Ruff Life ) and raised many many thousands of dollars which saved hundreds of dogs.

    Apparently salesmen selling gold equiptment weren't allowed to leave there card unless they first left a few bucks in the save the dogs jug.

    A bit different from what you're thinking of
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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thinking about the industry and the people, especially versus something like a tax conference for professionals, I think the fishbowl thing would be stupid.
    Maybe it would be ok at a dealer only show but for the average COLLECTOR, why would they want to do it?

    The tax conference is for professionals and I can see them wanting to do something like that. For a HOBBY, especially for a collectible like coins, I just don't see it. Sorry.

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  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    Longacre poses an excellent question - one which I would take even a step further. Why do so few coin dealers (particularly at coin shows) demonstrate so few marketing skills? Coin dealers are there to sell coins, yet most dealers demonstrate some of the worst marketing skills of any sales professionals. At their worst, some dealers will totally ignore you standing at their table attempting to get their attention. They carry on inane conversations with others behind their table, usually on a non-numismatic subject, and act as if they don't want or need your business. Few dealers post signs indicating their company name (unless provided by the show promoter), address or how to contact them in the future. It is rare but enlightening to actually have a dealer speak to you as you approach his table, inquiring what you might be looking for or how he might assist you. How many dealers solicit your want list, or offer to help you search for needed coins? Longacre's question presents just one of many ideas that coin dealers might use to promote future business. Maybe the coin market is so strong right now that dealers feel they do not need to seek out your business, but in any other retail sales business, many different ideas are brought into play to promote sales. Why not in the coin business?
    They that can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither Liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Would never deal with anyone who sends spam. Either physical mail or email.
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  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    Years ago I had a fishbowl on my table at every show. Damn people kept putting their cards in the bowl and the ink killed my pet goldfish.
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    MrHalfDime said

    << <i>Longacre poses an excellent question - one which I would take even a step further. Why do so few coin dealers (particularly at coin shows) demonstrate so few marketing skills? Coin dealers are there to sell coins, yet most dealers demonstrate some of the worst marketing skills of any sales professionals. At their worst, some dealers will totally ignore you standing at their table attempting to get their attention. They carry on inane conversations with others behind their table, usually on a non-numismatic subject, and act as if they don't want or need your business. Few dealers post signs indicating their company name (unless provided by the show promoter), address or how to contact them in the future. It is rare but enlightening to actually have a dealer speak to you as you approach his table, inquiring what you might be looking for or how he might assist you. How many dealers solicit your want list, or offer to help you search for needed coins? Longacre's question presents just one of many ideas that coin dealers might use to promote future business. Maybe the coin market is so strong right now that dealers feel they do not need to seek out your business, but in any other retail sales business, many different ideas are brought into play to promote sales. Why not in the coin business? >>

    Nicely stated.image
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  • lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720


    << <i>Years ago I had a fishbowl on my table at every show. Damn people kept putting their cards in the bowl and the ink killed my pet goldfish. >>




    image Good one Dennis.

    Ray
  • StrikeOutXXXStrikeOutXXX Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin dealers have business cards? I went to a show in VA over Thanksgiving, and thought I'd get some cards to pass the dealers names off to some forum members who had similar interests. I asked about 15 people, 1 had a card display to give me, one had a wrinkled up "Old card" from his wallet he had to change the e-mail addrss on, and most of the rest scribbled info on a blank sheet of paper because as most of them stated, their e-mails change too often for cards, or they cost too much image

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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    I forgot to add this-- although I've spoken to many dealers at the various shows that I go to, the only dealers who have ever asked me for my card are Julian and Gold Rush Galleries. Pretty amazing when you think about it.
    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
    --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I forgot to add this-- although I've spoken to many dealers at the various shows that I go to, the only dealers who have ever asked me for my card are Julian and Gold Rush Galleries. Pretty amazing when you think about it. >>



    And he didn't give it to me, either!!
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  • They don't do it because coin dealers are CHEAP! image
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I forgot to add this-- although I've spoken to many dealers at the various shows that I go to, the only dealers who have ever asked me for my card are Julian and Gold Rush Galleries. Pretty amazing when you think about it. >>



    And he didn't give it to me, either!! >>




    I gave it to you during last year's Baltimore show. Do you not have it?
    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
    --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)


  • << <i>I forgot to add this-- although I've spoken to many dealers at the various shows that I go to, the only dealers who have ever asked me for my card are Julian and Gold Rush Galleries. Pretty amazing when you think about it. >>



    Can I have your business card? Actually, can you sign the front of 5 business cards and send them to me? I'll donate 4 of them to the Children's Hospital Central California this christmas for my annual Business Cards 4 Kids!

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The main problem would be that you would have to keep taking them out right away for security reasons, lest somebody steal the cards to get names and addresses of collectors they could rob.
    TD
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  • DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535
    Here's a few reasons why coin dealers wouldn't use a business card fishbowl:

    1. Probably 95% of dealers are one-man businesses who don't have the time to do a lot of cold-calling.

    2. The dealers who do most (or all) of their business at shows don't do much (or any) advertising - they develop their business from the people who see them at the shows. Why should they advertise to people who don't go to shows in the first place?

    3. Us corporate employee types have business cards, but I know very few fellow collectors who do. The dealers would end up giving their cards out for their customers to write their addresses on.

    4. Security concerns - most collectors I know are fairly private.

    5. Privacy concerns - most collectors I know don't want to be marketed to. They don't want calls from Blanchard or anyone else unless the caller is servicing their want list.

    6. The big telemarketers don't use card fishbowls because they buy "sucker lists" of proven buyers rather than accumulating random business cards.

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  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424
    While i can't talk for myself, my dad has never been asked for his business card or any contact information. In fact the only business cards i've seen transfered at coin shows was the cards which were asked for by my dad. Kind of sad when you think about it and it shows the poor business sense of many dealers!
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

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