Murphy's 2006 Cent DDO

DieVarieties · March 8, 2007 1:10PM

Below are photos I took of Murphy's 2006 cent DDO. Thanks Murph for allowing me to examine and photograph your coin for my files.

The LIBERTY photos I provided different angle shots. One is with the lighting from the north which tends to show more of the separation lines on the letters while the other (bottom photos of LIBERTY) is with the lighting angle coming from the south which highlights more of the deep corner notching on the letters. Finally I provided an overall, low magnification wide-angle view of LIBERTY and the doubling still shows up extremely well.

Doubling is also visible on Murphy's DDO at the tops of Lincoln's hair as well as the "VDB" designer's initials also exhibit doubling. Other areas such as the beard, ear, nose, eye, bow-tie exhibits extreme extra thickness with faint separation in some areas.

The doubling is from a Class IV offset hub doubling. How this DDO happened will be very interesting to find out from the Mint. It appears to me from examining the coin this can't be from a single-squeeze type of process. It appears to be somehow multiple hubbed.

Though the spread is not quite as strong as the 1995 cent DDO -- nonetheless it has a very similar appearance in doubling when compared to that famous variety. Another thing going for this DDO, unlike the '95 DDO, is that the doubling is on all the letters of the motto, LIBERTY and most importantly the date as well. This is a very impressive doubled die obverse IMO!!!! Especially considering this is during the "single-squeeze" hubbing era that the Mint implemented to eliminate doubled dies!

grabba · March 8, 2007 1:17PM

Great information and nice pictures.

Thanks for sharing.

JRocco · March 8, 2007 1:20PM

Great job Billy and YES, you did nail those pics.
I agree that this is one sweet DDO and also unlike the 95, I don't think these are going to start popping up by the thousands in ultra high grade examples.
I am looking for this one.
Great job

cladking · March 8, 2007 1:25PM

Nice pictures of a great coin.

I suppose the single squeeze was interrupted before being complete and
then the hub was replaced improperly. It's hard to believe that a die was
inadvertantly hubbed a second time.

DieVarieties · March 8, 2007 1:28PM

"I am looking for this one."

You, me and I would guess a whole lot of collectors will be on the hunt!

Yes, I totally agree that this will not be found in quantities like the '95 was. Were talking about a different scenario with this one. After all, run to ones bank and ask for 2006 OBW bank-wrapped rolls and see what kind of answer you get. Sure, there are some out there but nothing like the run on the banks like the '95 DDO was.

Murphy · March 8, 2007 3:12PM

Thanks Billy. Your pictures certainly do the coin justice. Your observations are the same as what I saw.
And I too believe the numbers of these will be considerably less than those of the 1995P DDO. One reason is that nobody has come forth claiming to own boxes of them. Believe it or not, but out there in the back of someone's closet are still untapped rolls of 1995P cents which contain that DDO! It's too late to just go to the bank and get new 2006P cents now. This is 2007. So we may have to search through circulated cents if we want this variety. It may be years until we get a good picture of just how many of these 2006P DDO's were released into circulation. I know of others that have been found besides mine. I'm anxious to know if the other is Early Die State like mine. If we find them in Mid and Late Die States then we'll know there were many let loose into public hands. But that may or may not happen. Too early to tell. I just know they are very hard to find around here. Be watching eBay because I will be selling one very soon.

cladking · March 8, 2007 3:30PM

Murphy; Did this coin come from your area? I've been watching here.

gonzer · March 8, 2007 10:35PM

Murphy, again, congradulations on an exceptional find! Billy, thanks for posting the pics, you indeed did nail the doubling.

DCW · March 8, 2007 11:06PM

How many did you find, Murphy? When is it hitting the bay?

pf70collector · March 8, 2007 11:10PM

Glad I bought a box of these 2006 P's last year. I havent had time to search them yet, but thanks for the heads up.

Murphy · March 8, 2007 11:54PM

So far I've only found EDS examples and they were found in one box of Fed wrapped circulated rolls that I got locally. The day after i posted my first find here I found another one from the same box. I have searched many local rolls and quite a few more boxes of Fed wrapped ones in a frantic attempt to find more of these, but so far nada. I won't stop looking for them - I LIKE this variety! I plan to slab one and sell one raw and that's it unless I find more later on. I'm going to try and get an auction posted Sunday night on eBay for the raw one. For several years I've used the name murphyaln at eBay and I have 100% positive feedback. There won't be any chintzy overpriced shipping - with me it's free. If you bid, you'll only be bidding on the coin, not the fees. Customer satisfaction is very important to me.

LanLord · March 9, 2007 12:00AM

Nice pics, how is something like that happening with the hubbing techniques in use today?

Murphy · March 9, 2007 1:30AM

It's been suggested that after hubbing it was inspected and found lacking where it was returned to the die press for another "squeeze". Why it was so far out of alignment, I dunno. I thought they used guide pins or something. Maybe the guides were removed for some reason. I dunno that much about how they make them.

One hint as to why we're seeing a lot of doubled dies for 2006 is they are shoving as many 2006 and 2007 cents as they can out the doors of the two mints. They may have a quota to meet and don't have a lot of time to spend repairing dies. Minor doubling could be acceptable to the inspectors. To spend time on anything out of the ordinary would risk falling behind schedule. I don't know if that's the case, but I know they started producing cents in January and didn't stop until December last year. My bank always had a supply of new cents for me. They started producing cents again in January this year.

So far there is nothing to tell me that the two cents I found were released into circulation locally. They could have come from anywhere in the 8th Fed District. Generally though, I get some Fed wrapped rolls that I think come from Louisville, KY. I live just across the river from there. But until I or someone else find them in local rolls, we won't know where they come from.

DieVarieties · March 9, 2007 1:41AM

The only thing I do know is the end result. As far as how this happened, I have some ideas. However, since I wasn't at the Mint to witness what actually did happen to cause this DDO -- anything I say would be theory/speculation.

If the Mint was to come out and say what caused this that might (and I emphasize the word might) shed some light -- however, I will not hold my breath for any revelations forthcoming from the Mint with their past track record for disclosures.

mozeppa · March 9, 2007 5:11AM

Billy...
do you think that maybe this was intended to be a"single squeeze" hubbing...then in the boredom of a mint workers daily routine accidently squeezed it a second time.... (thinking that it hadn't been squeezed yet)...and the second squeeze shiftted north?

he then gave it quick look and didn't notice anything wrong with it , so just let it ride?

DieVarieties · March 9, 2007 5:30AM

<< <i>Billy...
do you think that maybe this was intended to be a"single squeeze" hubbing...then in the boredom of a mint workers daily routine accidently squeezed it a second time.... (thinking that it hadn't been squeezed yet)...and the second squeeze shiftted north?

he then gave it quick look and didn't notice anything wrong with it , so just let it ride? >>

Yes -- that's one scenario I had in mind.

Another one, and again this is along similar lines as yours Mozeppa:

Is that during the "single-squeeze" hubbing what if there was a momentarily loss of pressure. Lets say it almost makes the complete single pass, but, the operator wasn't too sure if it did or if it didn't. So, the operator backs off a little and restarts the squeeze again to ensure a completed single complete pass. During the backing off -- a slight offset (which could have been from slight play or maybe even caused by the initial loss of pressure), now creates the shift that we see. There also could be any number of other reasons but I think this is a possible scenario.

Of course -- this is speculation.

Cam40 · March 9, 2007 6:09AM

doesnt the die have to have the doubled image before its called a dd?
otherwise wouldnt this be mechanical doubling of some sort?

mozeppa · March 9, 2007 7:34AM

<< <i>doesnt the die have to have the doubled image before its called a dd?
otherwise wouldnt this be mechanical doubling of some sort? >>

uh sort of...but not machine doubling.

during the process of making "working dies" is how most of the doubling occurs.

if the working die is pressed more than once and the second pressing ...(or 3rd...4th)...is not in the exact same position as the first pressing,
or "squeeze"...it is the working dies that are doubled and they in turn exhibit the doubling on each and every coin struck with that working die.

on rare occasions the working hub itself can (and has been) be doubled...and in turn, every working die that is made will manifest the same doubling.

case in point ....1972 lincoln cents ...the die 5 variety... this is a good example of working hub doubling that produced cents that exhibit the same doubling throughout the date series.

hey chuck ...am i right?

Murphy · March 9, 2007 2:35PM

With the naked eye you can tell these from normal ones by looking at the tip of Lincoln's nose. One a normal cent it's pointed. On these, his nose is very blunt. The difference is there, it's unmistakable. You may be able to see the T in LIBERTY is top heavy or LIBERTY is very tall, but the nose comparison is the best naked eye test.

Here's some new pictures:

Lincoln was a crack head. Got a small cud at the north end of this crack:

TwoSides2aCoin · March 9, 2007 3:16PM

ok, my neophyteness is gonna show here, but could someone PM me the address of who I send coins to when, and if, I find such anomalies ?
I'd like the experts to check them.

Thanks,

Joe

Murphy · March 9, 2007 10:50PM

These are all the ones I know:

Coppercoins.com

CONECAonline.org

Ken Potter

Billy Crawford

PCGS

NGC

ANACS

DieVarieties · March 10, 2007 8:12AM

Came across one yesterday in my searching circulated rolls obtained from my local bank.

Murphy · March 10, 2007 12:59PM

Congratulations Billy! Looks like we're not alone, someone in Louisville across the river from me found one and sent it to Ken Potter to examine... CONECA

cladking · March 10, 2007 1:31PM

So, maybe southern Ohio or thereabouts. I'm guessing at least 50,000 and probably more.

There might even be a big enough issue for multiple release points.

Murphy · March 11, 2007 12:39AM

If there are 50,000 released, how many do you think a handfull of us are going to find if all the cents are in circulation?

There's no multi-media hype to entice people to look for them. People are busy looking for the 50,000 blank-edge Washingtons.

TwoSides2aCoin · March 11, 2007 12:42AM

I'm sad that we don't have screw ups working in Denver's minting facility.
Do they have an employee exchange program , perhaps ?

chiefbob · March 11, 2007 2:06AM

Damn! Now I'm gonna have to get out the giant penny jar and strain my eyes looking for this!

Beautiful pics, and great explanation on the process. Nice find! This is what makes collecting fun, even for "modern crapola" coins!

cladking · March 11, 2007 2:09AM

<< <i>I'm sad that we don't have screw ups working in Denver's minting facility.
Do they have an employee exchange program , perhaps ?

>>

I think he retired back about 1973.

Murphy's 2006 Cent DDO

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