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1955 DDO Lincoln PCGS 64RD on ebay - Huh?

It sells for less than $1,000 on ebay!?

I know I'm missing something here - can anyone help?

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  • ccexccex Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    Low feedback, one day auction, and no Paypal must have made bidders wonder whether the seller actually posesses this coin.
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  • ccex - I agree on all of your points, but the cert # is valid and it's worth about $7,000 or so. So it goes for 1/10 of that?! Plus, the seller's from Indiana - all Hoosiers are honest, right! image

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  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know if jonracross is a member of this board,but he will deserve a "YOU SUCK" award if he actually gets that coin.
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  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    isn't that Fletcher?
  • mrpaseomrpaseo Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭
    How do you think the seller feels... It's probably still sitting in front of his computer with a deer in the headlights stare... WTF?

    I hope it's legit but I would not have touched that auction for the reasons stated,
    Ray
  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,711 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>isn't that Fletcher? >>



    Yes I believe so.
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,113 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>isn't that Fletcher? >>



    Yup. I'd say about a 5% chance he gets the coin.


  • << <i>How do you think the seller feels... It's probably still sitting in front of his computer with a deer in the headlights stare... WTF?

    >>




    lol....I can see that!
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's see:

    -Seller's account is two weeks old
    -Seller's feedback is 6
    -Seller's feedback is all from purchases of coins totaling less than $200
    -Seller has never sold anything
    -Seller does not accept paypal

    -Seller's first coin to sell on ebay is a $7k Lincoln rarity....

    Auction ends for $775.
    Seller's costs to get feedback for account $200

    Seller's net profit on this e-bay account .... $575. (Plus he has the six coins he bought in the other transactions)



    Doug
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Seller is right outside Indy, maybe fletcher can get someone to pick it up for him!!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    And a pretty bad scan too, could it be a poor mans double die?
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  • << <i>It sells for less than $1,000 on ebay!?

    I know I'm missing something here - can anyone help?

    Mike


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    If I had a $7000 coin sell for a $1000 on eBay? Hmmmmm.... Would I ship it. Hmmmmmm......There is integrity, and then there is stupid. Assume this guy is neither.
  • a039a039 Posts: 1,546
    I think he will get the coin, however if he does not we know that Fletcher dont mind leaving neg's!image
  • 66RB66RB Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭
    Alright, this one has me confused.

    I could have sworn this coin was bid up well over two grand, and it was on eBay for more then one day.

    Now I see that it ended at $7and changeimage
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>And a pretty bad scan too, could it be a poor mans double die? >>


    Nope. PCGS does not slab the Poor Mans doubled die so the coin is legit. However, the seller does not look legit.

    Considering the junk he's purchased based on his feedback, I think somebody's about to get burned.

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Now I see that it ended at $7and change >>


    Don't you mean $700 and change? Still, it's a HUGE score if the auction is real.

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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Alright, this one has me confused.

    I could have sworn this coin was bid up well over two grand, and it was on eBay for more then one day.

    Now I see that it ended at $7and changeimage >>

    Look at the bid retraction and cancellation history. It shows that five bids ranging from $1800 to $6125 were cancelled because it was the "wrong bid." Something smells bad.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Alright, this one has me confused.

    I could have sworn this coin was bid up well over two grand, and it was on eBay for more then one day.

    Now I see that it ended at $7and changeimage >>





    It was.....to both of your questions....



    Bid retraction and cancellation history

    Bidder Action / Explanation Date of Bid and Retraction
    Bidder 2 Cancelled: US $2,000.00
    Explanation: wrong bid Bid: Mar-02-07 08:48:51 PST
    Cancelled: Mar-05-07 12:39:10 PST
    Bidder 4 Cancelled: US $2,600.00
    Explanation: wrong bid Bid: Mar-05-07 09:51:59 PST
    Cancelled: Mar-05-07 12:39:06 PST
    Bidder 5 Cancelled: US $5,250.00
    Explanation: wrong bid Bid: Mar-05-07 10:39:49 PST
    Cancelled: Mar-05-07 12:38:59 PST
    Bidder 3 Cancelled: US $6,125.00
    Explanation: wrong bid Bid: Mar-04-07 22:00:23 PST
    Cancelled: Mar-05-07 12:38:55 PST
    Bidder 1 Cancelled: US $1,800.56
    Explanation: wrong bid Bid: Feb-28-07 22:43:39 PST
    Cancelled: Mar-05-07 12:39:15 PST

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  • Bid retraction and cancellation history

    Bidder Action / Explanation Date of Bid and Retraction
    Bidder 2 Cancelled: US $2,000.00
    Explanation: wrong bid Bid: Mar-02-07 08:48:51 PST
    Cancelled: Mar-05-07 12:39:10 PST
    Bidder 4 Cancelled: US $2,600.00
    Explanation: wrong bid Bid: Mar-05-07 09:51:59 PST
    Cancelled: Mar-05-07 12:39:06 PST
    Bidder 5 Cancelled: US $5,250.00
    Explanation: wrong bid Bid: Mar-05-07 10:39:49 PST
    Cancelled: Mar-05-07 12:38:59 PST
    Bidder 3 Cancelled: US $6,125.00
    Explanation: wrong bid Bid: Mar-04-07 22:00:23 PST
    Cancelled: Mar-05-07 12:38:55 PST
    Bidder 1 Cancelled: US $1,800.56
    Explanation: wrong bid Bid: Feb-28-07 22:43:39 PST
    Cancelled: Mar-05-07 12:39:15 PST
  • 66RB66RB Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Now I see that it ended at $7and change >>


    Don't you mean $700 and change? Still, it's a HUGE score if the auction is real. >>



    Eh, I was too lazy to scroll back up to see what it was exactly, hence, $7 and change. The hundred was impliedimage
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Eh, I was too lazy to scroll back up to see what it was exactly, hence, $7 and change. The hundred was impliedimage >>

    Of course, if this were a legitimate and trusted auction, *thousands* should have been implied.
  • 66RB66RB Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Eh, I was too lazy to scroll back up to see what it was exactly, hence, $7 and change. The hundred was impliedimage >>

    Of course, if this were a legitimate and trusted auction, *thousands* should have been implied. >>



    Of course, but it is what it is, and this auction closed at $7 hundred and changeimage
  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294
    Hey ... whats all the hub bub? I would say that I have a less than 1 in 10 chance of receiving the coin. However, I have recevied communication from the seller already. I have informed him that I would be happy to send him a postal money order if he overnights the coin to an ANA coin dealer of his choice at my expense. If he responds, great ... if not, its a scam. Either way, I will not lose anything on this deal and if I get the coin, I'll get my second official "You Suck" award. I realize that the odds are not in my favor, but I am not so jaded to think that EVERY good deal on eBay is a scam. Obviously, I'll keep the forum updated.

    image
  • mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭


    << <i>ccex - I agree on all of your points, but the cert # is valid and it's worth about $7,000 or so. So it goes for 1/10 of that?! Plus, the seller's from Indiana - all Hoosiers are honest, right! image

    Mike >>



    yeah we are!

    this guys from franklin Indiana15 minutes south of me...and i think he's legit!

    also he if he goes thru with the auction he's lost his shirt.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hey ... whats all the hub bub? I would say that I have a less than 1 in 10 chance of receiving the coin. However, I have recevied communication from the seller already. I have informed him that I would be happy to send him a postal money order if he overnights the coin to an ANA coin dealer of his choice at my expense. If he responds, great ... if not, its a scam.image >>

    Well, you are trying to alter the terms of the deal after the fact. IMO, that's an eBay no-no. Had you done this and got an affirmative response *before* bidding, that would be another story.
  • Your feedback rating....uhm...how can I say this nicely.....sucks.
  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294


    << <i>Your feedback rating....uhm...how can I say this nicely.....sucks. >>



    Many people here do not post negs because they are afraid of retaliatory negs. I post a neg when it is deserved and have obviously been retaliated against a few of times. In all fairness though, I did deserve two of those negs image

  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hey ... whats all the hub bub? I would say that I have a less than 1 in 10 chance of receiving the coin. However, I have recevied communication from the seller already. I have informed him that I would be happy to send him a postal money order if he overnights the coin to an ANA coin dealer of his choice at my expense. If he responds, great ... if not, its a scam. Either way, I will not lose anything on this deal and if I get the coin, I'll get my second official "You Suck" award. I realize that the odds are not in my favor, but I am not so jaded to think that EVERY good deal on eBay is a scam. Obviously, I'll keep the forum updated.

    image >>



    Smartly done. You can also use www.escrow.com....if he insists on the money...
  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294
    A forum member has graciously offered to pick up the coin for me as well ... so the seller has two options now image

  • a039a039 Posts: 1,546
    Update?
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm on the edge of my seat with this one.


    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!


  • << <i>Your feedback rating....uhm...how can I say this nicely.....sucks. >>


    agreed, after reading the negs, your a sellers nightmare.
  • a039a039 Posts: 1,546


    << <i>

    << <i>Your feedback rating....uhm...how can I say this nicely.....sucks. >>


    agreed, after reading the negs, your a sellers nightmare. >>



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  • RBinTexRBinTex Posts: 4,328
    Why did the seller cancel all those higher bids? image


  • << <i>Why did the seller cancel all those higher bids? image >>



    The cancelled bids were likely schill bids placed to make the auction look legit.
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  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,629 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just noticed that this guy is now "not a registered user" on e-bay anymore. image

    So Fletcher...whats your chances your going to get this now?

    image
  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭
    Chances are slim and none this coin gets delivered.

    I certainly would not send funds in the mail.

    Have the local contact pay cash and reward him/her with a $500 bonus.
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  • Can we assume the deal never went thru?
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>No longer a registered user >>



    Sure didn't see that coming.

    Russ, NCNE
  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Can we assume the deal never went thru? >>



    Since Fletcher hasn't replied, I guess so.
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    The images were "taken" from this Heritage non-sale.
  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294


    << <i>agreed, after reading the negs, your a sellers nightmare. >>



    Yes, I was a nightmare for Darin who tried to rip me off like he did several other people on this forum and for the seller who used a picture of a very nice DCAM AH Kennedy in his auction and then sent me a crappy normal hair Kennedy. I'll be a nightmare for anyone who tries to screw me on Ebay. However, if you simply want to sit back and anonymously attempt to take cheap shots like that ... have at it!

    And, it is "you're" ... not "your" and "seller's" not "sellers" image





    << <i>Can we assume the deal never went thru? >>



    Yes, I offered to have someone meet him with cash at the location of his choice in his city and he refused ... it was a scam. We all pretty much thought that it was so I am not disappointed. However, if it had been legit, it woud have made for one helluva "YOU SUCK!"

    image


  • << <i>The images were "taken" from this Heritage non-sale. >>



    Excellent research......
  • Gosh u guys are good. Leave it to Shylock!!!

    <<And, it is "you're ... not "your">>
    My pet-peeve too (not to) Fletch. It's (It is) amazing how many people get this wrong.
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  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294


    << <i><<And, it is "you're ... not "your">>
    My pet-peeve too (not to) Fletch. It's (It is) amazing how many people get this wrong. >>



    Lol ... eye do'nt mind if people try too take cheep shots at me. However, in doing sew, they should attemt to employ propper gramar so that they're quips at least appear witty.

    image




  • ShortgapbobShortgapbob Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭
    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -- Aristotle

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  • ShortgapbobShortgapbob Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭
    Well if something seems too good to be true, then it normally doesn't turn out. Sorry about not getting the bargain.

    (Sorry for the double post)
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  • a039a039 Posts: 1,546
    Hey Fletcher, did the seller try to get his listing fees back and or was this a hijacked account?
  • mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭
    i retract my "he's legit" stated earlier...not who i thunk it was.

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