1821- The 16th informative picture thread covering the Capped Bust Half Series. Post your CBH's

CoinAddict · December 6, 2006 2:00PM

This is the sixteenth in a series of informative picture threads covering the lettered edge capped Bust Half Dollars from 1807-36 in reverse year order. 1820 starts Sunday 12/10, 1819 starts Thurs. 12/14 and this pattern continues on down.

General guidelines:

1. Members can simply post pictures, or include pertinent information like Overton marriage and diagnostics, or just ask for information about their pictured coin from other members. Please keep picture file sizes within reason for dial up members.

2. Ultimately, we would like to see at least one example pictured for each Overton marriage.

3. Thread starts are only on Thursdays and Sundays.

The rest of the series can be found here

1821
There are 6 obverse dies and 7 reverse dies that produced 7 marriages for the year. There is only one very scarce variety for the year, the O-107, which combines obverse 6 with reverse G.

Here is an example of the 1821 O-101 R1, which utilized Obverse 1 with Reverse A
Some characteristics of this variety are:
Obverse- Star 13 is 1/2 mm from curl and there is a center dot on neck. Date is 8mm.
Reverse- There is a center dot between crossbars 4 and 5. Right sides of T and I are in line. There is a spike on right wing opposite A3. Crossbar 5 extends into left wing.

rhedden · December 7, 2006 1:15AM

Here is my 1821 O-107. Formerly R4, now rated R3. I actually think this variety is just a plain old common R1. I have owned three examples of this date, and all three were O-107! Anyone else want to comment on its scarcity?

I grade this example AU-50+. It may have been dipped at one time, as it has somewhat unusual chalky toning, but it is free from hairlines and is a great example of the date with more eye appeal than most. Purchased from EarlyUS.com.

mozin · December 8, 2006 7:48AM

rhedden,

I think the rarity on your O-107 Bustie is correct at R3, the toughest 1821 marriage. I have only owned one coin in this marriage.

Your coin might not have strong luster, but I like the toning.

rhedden · December 14, 2006 5:58AM

Here's another 1821 O-107, also nicely toned, in VF. No plans to depart with it, even though I have two of them. I have to say the 1821 deserves more credit as a better date in the Bust half series than it receives. Just look at the overwhelming number of coin images posted to this thread so far compared to some of the other dates.....

mozin · December 14, 2006 10:02AM

This one is pretty worn, but it does have character.

Some diagnostics for Bogus 1821 2B very scarce (estimated 3-5):

Obverse 2: Star 7 is shifted to close to cap, and points to the junction of the curl and the headband. There are some lumps above the date. Wide space between “8” and “2”.

Reverse: “5” tilts to the left. Top of “F” is too long. Large “C” nearly touches the stem.

RotatedRainbows · December 14, 2006 12:02PM

Here is my lone 1821, it is O-104 AU prooflike. In the past it has been sold as a proof and is listed in Breen's book of proofs but he did not believe it to be a real proof coin. I have also included the auction description from when I purchased it from a Superior sale in 1986.

CoinAddict · December 14, 2006 12:14PM

Absolutely gorgeous bustie, RotatedRainbows. Thanks for sharing her.

mozin · December 14, 2006 1:19PM

Here is my 1821 O-104 for comparison with the Proof coin.

Some diagnostics for 1821 O-104 R1:

Obverse: Star 1 points between dentils. A number of vertical die lines in front of Miss Liberty’s throat. Centering dot on neck. Star 7 points to upper edge of dentil, and upper edge of headband.

Reverse: “5” in “50C” leans sharply to the right. “I” centered under left side of “T”.

Barndog · December 15, 2006 1:16AM

indeed, a good thread about coins

mozin · January 9, 2007 3:07PM

Some diagnostics for 1821 O-101 R1:

Obverse: Star 1 points to lower half of dentil. Clasp is doubled around 5 o'clock. Centering dot on neck. (Obverse shared with O-102.)

Reverse: Tine off the right wing into field opposite A3. Crossbar 5 extends too far left. Centering dot between crossbars 4 & 5 at left. Right sides of "I" and "T" are in line.

StopMotion · January 17, 2007 8:02AM

I belive this is an 1821 O-103 Bust Half. Anyone else agree?
There is a little raised dot between the U & the N (UNITED), that I don't see in the Overton/Peterson book. Why would it be there?
Thanks,
SM

Overton 103

OKbustchaser · January 17, 2007 9:15AM

It is indeed O-103. This is the same reverse die that LATER was used on the 1820 O-107.

mozin · January 26, 2007 4:04PM

Some diagnostics for 1821 O-102 R2:

Obverse: Star 1 points to lower half of dentil. Clasp is doubled around 5 o’clock. Centering dot on neck. (Obverse shared with O-101.)

Reverse: A die line joins “M” and “E” at top. Small lumps in field below “NI”. “I” centered under left side of “T”. (Reverse shared with 1820 O-106.)

mozin · February 25, 2007 10:05AM

Some diagnostics for 1821 O-103 R2:

Obverse: Star 1 points to upper half of dentil. Stars 1 & 13 very close to bust and curl respectively. Prominent centering dot shows on neck.

Reverse: Right serif of “A’s”, and both left serifs of “E’s” are missing. There is a triple dentil below leftmost leaf tip. “I” centered below “T”.

coinnut · March 3, 2007 8:47AM

Here is my 1821 which I haven't attributed yet. Anybody have an idea what the Overton number is?

mozin · March 3, 2007 9:11AM

coinnut,

Your reverse picture is not coming up. Your coin is O-103, just based on the obverse. Great looker!

coinnut · March 3, 2007 9:16AM

mozin · April 19, 2007 5:26AM

Some diagnostics for 1821 O-105a R1:

Obverse: Star 1 points to center of dentil. “21” is very close. Centering dot on neck.

Reverse: “C” in “50 C” is far right of olive stem. Arrowheads are close. Base of “A” is higher than base of “M”. “I” centered under left side of “T”.

edmerlr · April 24, 2007 12:13PM

The 1821 O-106 die marriage, both the EDS and the LDS.

This die marriage is rated "common" in its Early Die State and "slightly uncommon" in its Late Die State.

The die marriage was struck using Obverse die 5 and Reverse die F. This was the only use of these dies.

On mid grade and higher grade specimens of unsoiled coins the quick identifiers for this die marriage make attribution a slam-dunk.

Simply, on the reverse there are tines through the shield and the tail. On the shield the tine is near the bottom between the 3rd and 4th stripes. The tine on the tail protrudes from the left side of the tail into the field.

As the die was used to strike the O-106 die marriage it was frequenty removed from the screw press and lapped to remove imperfections that came up through wear during usage. As the die was lapped, the tine in the shield disappears, the tine on the tail does not.

Photos of the Early Die State of the 1821 O-106, R1:

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The LDS of the die marriage is identical to the Early Die State except that the top of the N in UNITED becomes filled due to a progressive chipping of the die.

On the specimen shown, the bottom of the shield is "dirty," so I cannot tell if the tine (mentioned above) has been lapped away, or not.

Photos of the Late Die State of the 1821 O-106a, R2:

JRocco · April 26, 2007 11:44AM

Here you go MORGANHUNTER2.
Now show me that coin

MORGANHUNTER2 · May 11, 2007 2:51PM

I'm gonna take an ugly pic of it in the morning- and post it here- but it will be small in comparison to most that I have seen tonight- Jrocco- I'll do my best.

Swear to God Almighty.

I'm likin the bustie's.

thisnamztaken · May 11, 2007 7:43PM

I've been told this is O-102

mozin · May 12, 2007 3:42AM

Thisnamztaken,

1821 O-102 R2 is correct. I posted this marriage earlier in this thread, in case you want to compare diagnostic details. Are you addicted to Bustie collecting yet?

thisnamztaken · May 12, 2007 12:06PM

<< <i>Thisnamztaken,

1821 O-102 R2 is correct. I posted this marriage earlier in this thread, in case you want to compare diagnostic details. Are you addicted to Bustie collecting yet?

>>

Thanks.
I can't afford the addiction mozin, so I'm just treating it sort of like an intermittent "weekend binge" habit for now.

FEVER · May 25, 2007 4:21PM

A crusty 1821, O-104, R1 Obverse ID: Star 7 points to upper edge of the LIBERTY headband. Reverse ID: 5 in denomination tips sharply to the right.

Edgar

FEVER · May 25, 2007 4:31PM

Old album toned 1821, O-107, R3. I wish my scanner didn't blow out the color on this one but . . . I purchased it back in the late 1960's and can't remember exactly what I paid for it, as I never wrote it down - but I think it was "overpriced" at about $22.00!

Obverse: Widest date in 1821 (8-3/4 mm). Reverse: Center dot between crossbars 3 & 4 with I centered under right side of T.

Edgar

edmerlr · June 5, 2007 11:20AM

Another missing die state: The 1821 O-101a, R1.

Identical to the O-101 except there is a die crack from below the leaves to the top of UNITED STATE with an additional die crack top of RICA.

There also is a die lump in the upper loop of the first S in STATES.

Photos of my 1821 O-101a, R1:

JustBustDimes · July 4, 2007 11:38AM

edmerlr · July 5, 2007 10:09AM

Here is another missing die STATE: The 1821 O-105, R1:

Mozin discussed the diagnostics of this die marriage on page 1 of this thread, so I will just post photos of my coin.

The 1821 O-105, R1:

edmerlr · July 9, 2007 2:38PM

Here's another 1821 O-101, R1:

JRocco · September 8, 2007 7:48AM

Here is another 1821 O-103

mozin · September 8, 2007 9:26AM

JRocco,

Your 1821 Bustie looks great!

SomeGuyFromMichigan · September 8, 2007 2:58PM

1821 O-107 EDS R-3
I don't think I've posted on the 1821 thread yet, so here's my contribution.
I won't say here's another one.
For the die state is early, so another one hasn't been posted.
For comparison check out "Fever's" CRUSTY one...
And your right Edgar, it does have some neat color!
I'll giv-ya $44. for it, you'll double your money, hahaha
JRocco, you're getting quite a nice collection goin!

1821 Obv. 6 (Sorry, like a DA I deleted it.)
Curiously the description of this marriage is rather vague in O/P.
Star 7 to the front edge of cap, widest date for year and high.
The EDS shows a die line just below Star 1 at the segments.
The top curl at the cap looks like 3 waves with a little fluff in the field.
Tiny center dot on the neck.
A very fine die crack between stars 10 and 11 at the outer points (rim side).
Possibly the remnant of the circle for the placement of the segments under the date.

1821 Rev. G

Centering dot in the left side between crossbars 3 & 4.
Small dot between the bas of 5 and 0 (zero).
Left side of "I" under center of "T". I use a little different alignment for the T to I relationship, which I find more accurate.
"N" in United and the second "S" in States recut.
Edgar, I may have possibly found a chip in the Master Hub.
I was doing image comparisons for the Type 4 reverses, it may interest you.

Mike

mozin · October 6, 2007 3:41PM

Some diagnostics for 1821 O-106 R1:

Obverse: Star 1 points to lower edge of dentil. 21 is lower than 18.

Reverse: Crossbar 3 extends into right wing. Centering dot between crossbars 3 & 4 at left. Die line joins stripes 3 & 4 near bottom of shield. Tine protrudes into field left of tail feathers about midway. There is a patch of lumps under eagle’s head. I far left of T.

Stuart · December 18, 2008 12:35PM

Here is a new 1821 Capped Bust Half purchase that I am pleased to share with my fellow forum members. I'd like to hear your thoughts and get your observations about this coin.

1821 NGC-55 (O-102 R-2) Capped Bust Half Dollar

Stuart · December 12, 2010 2:52AM

1821 Capped Bust Half Dollar (O-101A)

mozin · June 1, 2013 7:53AM

Very nice toning.

BustHalfBrian · June 1, 2013 12:27PM

1821 O.106, R1

one of the first Busties I ever purchased

lkeigwin · June 1, 2013 12:50PM

A 104a and 105.

1821 was marked by a small mintage (1.3 million pieces), likely smaller still as many were undoubtedly 1820's struck early in the year. Just 7 marriages resulted with no remarkable varieties.
Lance.