<< <i><< I'm familiar with stock forum pumpers, but this is the first coin pedigree pumper I've ever seen. Perhaps you are the only one.
I've got a bunch of crescent toned 1887-Ps that you couldn't tell the difference between it or a BC coin. They aren't in NGC * holders either. >>
If they're not in Star* holders, there's likely a reason for it. >>
Yeah, the submitter didn't get an automatic star deal like the submitter of the BC hoard.
Russ, NCNE >>
I think the star was probably given for one of two reasons... the beauty of the coins, and the beauty of the pedigree. Therefore they all fall into the classification of the Star*. Thanks for the clarification.
<< <i>I'm familiar with stock forum pumpers, but this is the first coin pedigree pumper I've ever seen. Perhaps you are the only one. >>
Perfect analogy. And he's got 1, count em, one BC. He kept going on for months about how he was shopping for another, then suddenly toners were not his bag anymore. Today they are again!
And the pumping about those two sellers tells me all I need to know the market for these. You can only sell so many to the guild, which is what, six guys?
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Many if not most of GSAGUY'S Morgans were holdered/slabbed before he busted them out to display them in Capital Plastics holders. A couple he showed me were in former MS68 PCGS holders while many were MS67 and the lion's share, MS66. Some were also housed in NGC plastic as well.
<< <i>I've always felt if they're not slabbed, there's probably a reason for that as well. >>
You get lamer by the minute. >>
...and you stay steadily consistent.
Edited to explain: I feel monster toned coins have more validation if they're graded by a TPG. JMHO. They may or may not be legit one way or the other, but in today's age, like it or not, certification is key.
<< <i>Edited to explain: I feel monster toned coins have more validation if they're graded by a TPG. JMHO. They may or may not be legit one way or the other, but in today's age, like it or not, certification is key. >>
As shocking as it seems, there are collectors who don't need a label to tell them what they should buy.
<< <i>Edited to explain: I feel monster toned coins have more validation if they're graded by a TPG. JMHO. They may or may not be legit one way or the other, but in today's age, like it or not, certification is key. >>
As shocking as it seems, there are collectors who don't need a label to tell them what they should buy.
Russ, NCNE >>
True, and hard to argue with. But, best of luck when wanting to sell.
<<< ...Absolutely none finer in the hobby, period. I've been doing a lot of research on toned Morgans and there is no doubt that the most beautiful examples over-all in the hobby are from the Battle Creek pedigree collection. I've tried to convince myself otherwise, but to no avail. >>>
This thread was lame from the word go. Didn't dizzy promise somewhere to give it a rest with these lame BC threads?
<< <i><<< ...Absolutely none finer in the hobby, period. I've been doing a lot of research on toned Morgans and there is no doubt that the most beautiful examples over-all in the hobby are from the Battle Creek pedigree collection. I've tried to convince myself otherwise, but to no avail. >>>
This thread was lame from the word go. Didn't dizzy promise somewhere to give it a rest with these lame BC threads? >>
Yea, but you know what they say about promises... As far as this thread, I don't think the definition of a 'lame' thread instigates over 60 replies. I'd call it aggressive hobby opinion negotiations.
<< <i>Battle Creek is to toned Morgans what McDonalds is to hamburgers.
Have fun tonight, guys! >>
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Good point, and McDonalds hamburgers are the most well known and popular hamburgers in the known hamburger world. Just like BC coins are in the Morgan world. Again... excellent analogy.
<< <i>As far as this thread, I don't think the definition of a 'lame' thread instigates over 60 replies. I'd call it aggressive hobby opinion negotiations
Translation: everyone telling dizzy what a tool he is... >>
Edited to be nicer. I must ask you... You're calling me a tool because of my appreciation for the Battle Creek Collection. So are you saying anyone who likes them are tools?
<< <i>Being the best know doesnt make them the "best" McHorsemeat burgers are soy, sawdust and roadkill. Overproduced chum for the brainless lazy masses. >>
<< <i>Being the best know doesnt make them the "best" McHorsemeat burgers are soy, sawdust and roadkill. Overproduced chum for the brainless lazy masses. >>
take that statement back there is no soy in them! >>
We crack it, and send it in raw to NGC. If it gets your star* designation again, you keep the coin and I reimburse you the other 50%. If it does not, I keep it, and you reimburse me. Oh, yeah, and the loser never posts here again (and does not create another handle).
You've got the money, cupcake, but do you have any balls? You had better hope those fingerprints are on the slab
We crack it, and send it in raw to NGC. If it gets your star* designation again, you keep the coin and I reimburse you the other 50%. If it does not, I keep it, and you reimburse me. Oh, yeah, and the loser never posts here again (and does not create another handle).
You've got the money, cupcake, but do you have any balls? You had better hope those fingerprints are on the slab >>
Go for it cupcake, and let us all know how it turns out. And regardless of how it turns out, the rule is that you never post here again.
We crack it, and send it in raw to NGC. If it gets your star* designation again, you keep the coin and I reimburse you the other 50%. If it does not, I keep it, and you reimburse me. Oh, yeah, and the loser never posts here again (and does not create another handle).
You've got the money, cupcake, but do you have any balls? You had better hope those fingerprints are on the slab >>
Go for it cupcake, and let us all know how it turns out. And regardless of how it turns out, the rule is that you never post here again. >>
C'mon, Dizz, that's a fantastic coin! Let's do it! Are you game, or not?
We crack it, and send it in raw to NGC. If it gets your star* designation again, you keep the coin and I reimburse you the other 50%. If it does not, I keep it, and you reimburse me. Oh, yeah, and the loser never posts here again (and does not create another handle).
You've got the money, cupcake, but do you have any balls? You had better hope those fingerprints are on the slab >>
Go for it cupcake, and let us all know how it turns out. And regardless of how it turns out, the rule is that you never post here again. >>
C'mon, Dizz, that's a fantastic coin! Let's do it! Are you game, or not? >>
I'm beginning to grow bored of arguing an inarguable point. On to the next controversy... Anyone for monster-toned Peace Dollars???
We crack it, and send it in raw to NGC. If it gets your star* designation again, you keep the coin and I reimburse you the other 50%. If it does not, I keep it, and you reimburse me. Oh, yeah, and the loser never posts here again (and does not create another handle).
You've got the money, cupcake, but do you have any balls? You had better hope those fingerprints are on the slab >>
I hadn't seen your offer, or this coin before. He,ll of a point you've got here. Gotta diminish the entire pedigreed.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
I'm not interested in the faux debate and in fact this response is not particularly meant for the main respondants to this thread. Rather, it is directed to others who might be interested in some of the coins written about in these posts. I will say that Bryan's Morgans are a spectacular group that I have been able to view in-hand, and more than once, through their Capital Plastics holders. Yes they are raw, but quite a few, if not nearly all of them, were cracked from PCGS or NGC holders in order to customize their display. I've also seen some of ArtR's coins in-hand and these, too, contained some spectacular examples. As for BC, well, debate what you want, troll what you want or think what you want, but I could in no manner agree that the body of this marketed hoard is nicer than any number of a large pool of other Morgan dollars that would be considered inferior to the two collections I mentioned above. This of course does not mean that upper end BC coins could not be considered quite special, it just puts an upper limit on the hyperbole. True, this is my opinion only, but it may be worth something to someone here.
<< <i>I'm not interested in the faux debate and in fact this response is not particularly meant for the main respondants to this thread. Rather, it is directed to others who might be interested in some of the coins written about in these posts. I will say that Bryan's Morgans are a spectacular group that I have been able to view in-hand, and more than once, through their Capital Plastics holders. Yes they are raw, but quite a few, if not nearly all of them, were cracked from PCGS or NGC holders in order to customize their display. I've also seen some of ArtR's coins in-hand and these, too, contained some spectacular examples. As for BC, well, debate what you want, troll what you want or think what you want, but I could in no manner agree that the body of this marketed hoard is nicer than any number of a large pool of other Morgan dollars that would be considered inferior to the two collections I mentioned above. This of course does not mean that upper end BC coins could not be considered quite special, it just puts an upper limit on the hyperbole. True, this is my opinion only, but it may be worth something to someone here. >>
A response with substance, from now on I'm just going to PM you Tom.
Toned Numismatica, ahhh the perfect marriage of Numismatics and art. Most real art purists probably view this area with the same disdain most would reserve for paintings of Elvis on black velvet. But Real Toned Coin Lovers really get excited by these randomly patterned pieces of art.
Prices paid for toned Coins are often times as exorbitant as the renowned "Madonna on Toast" that so famously sold on eBay.
<< <i>On November 23, 2004, a grilled cheese sandwich that contained the likeness of the Virgin Mary was sold for $28,000 in an eBay auction by Diana Duyser from Hollywood, Florida. Duyser explained, "I made this sandwich 10 years ago. When I took a bite out of it, I saw a face looking up at me - it was Virgin Mary starring (sic) back at me. I was in total shock." She kept the toast surrounded by cotton wool, in a plastic container on a stand. Duyser claimed that although a decade old, the toast has not shown any sign of mold or crumbling, which she considered as "a miracle". She also believed its mystical properties have brought her blessings, including a $70,000 win in a nearby casino. The sandwich was purchased by the online casino, GoldenPalace.com, which is known for its publicity stunts. The company said that they planned to undertake a world tour with the sandwich and then sell it, with proceeds going to charity. [4] The pan that was used to make the sandwich was sold on eBay >>
With the ever widening acceptace of the high valuations given to toned coins, the method of creation is often times ignored. It's sort of like the Madonna Toast. Faith in the value is viewed as proof enough of the toned coins authenticity.
IMHO, the Binion and Bass "pedigrees" hold more importance as they have historical significance imparted by the previous ownership. If you think a made up name assigned by a guy who owned em for a few weeks makes for a better "pedigree", power to ya.
<< <i>IMHO, the Binion and Bass "pedigrees" hold more importance as they have historical significance imparted by the previous ownership. If you think a made up name assigned by a guy who owned em for a few weeks makes for a better "pedigree", power to ya.
You can't swing a dead cat at a coin show without hitting a dozen or so Battle Creek Morgans. >>
It's nice to see someone around here has some sense about them.
With the proper licensing fee, perhaps the " Peter Max Collection" could have been applied to these Coins. Art World dummies might have been caught up into the hype.
I offer a couple of observations on the topic of this thread and on some of the comments submitted.
-- The toned coins in the Continental Bank hoard, disbursed about 20 years ago, generally were far superior in surface quality and color in my judgment than those in the Battle Creek hoard. The pictures we've seen of the Battle Creek coins are what the Continental bank hoard coins really looked like.
-- The top 10 coins in the BC hoard would I believe indeed fit nicely into Bryan's collection. Beyond that level, Bryan probably would retail the top 10-100, and pass on the rest.
-- As for the quality of Bryan's collection campared to anything else, let me put it this way: one of my goals is to have my top 50 toners comparable in quality to his second top 50 pieces. Anything more ambitious is simply not realistic. But, attainment of even this seemingly modest goal is not likely. To illustrate, several of my A box of toned Morgans were acquired directly or indirectly from Bryan, who apparently didn't think they were spectacular enough for his private collection.
-- Bryan did break out almost all of his coins from previously certified holders, but as far as I know not the MS68's.
-- I have never seen a PL end roller; Coxe makes them sound almost common.
-- Art R's top 50 toners likely are more than a match for Bryan's second 50, and certainly wouldn't embarass themselves even against Bryan's top 50.
-- The scope of Sunnywood's toned dollar collection by date is probably now unsurpassed. Moreover, Sunnywood has some spectacular individual pieces that would be hard to beat in anyone's collection. However, if the date exists in Bryan's or Art R's collection, then with two exceptions I can think of, Sunywodd would have to settle for third place based on the top pieces by date for known collections -- not too bad a place to be, I might say.
First of all Thanks to Marshall (Gemtone65) and TomB for the comments on my coins, to even be mentioned in the same breadth with Bryan's coins is something special.
I have viewed Bryan's complete collection and that is a lot of toned dollars (I quit counting after 100 or so) I did not see one coin that I would not add to my collection!!
Doug (Sunnywood) Bryan is very humble when it comes to his collection. Believe me when I say that the legendary status applied to his coins is not being over done. I would say his top 100 coins would be classified as true monsters and the remainder would fit into the A boxes of any toned dollar collection I have looked at over the years and I have viewed a few.
Marshall, Bryan broke out his 68 that was in a PCGS holder a couple of months ago.
If It doesn't have great eye appeal, I don't want it.
ArtR, I'm sure you're right about Bryan's modesty. Besides, we could all use a dose of modesty and humility once in a while, and none moreso than I. Here are Bryan's own words:
I'm almost afraid to show my collection these days because you guys all seem to think that the coins are now legendary. They're decent, or "cute" as I say, but probably no better than others you've seen and bought.
As for Battle Creek vs. Continental Bank Hoard, the few experienced dealers who were around for both hoards agreed that the BC coins were comparable to CBH. Both Mike DeFalco and Larry Shepherd thought there was a good chance that the (9) BC bags actually came from CBH, or from a very similar source or circumstance. I would say that, including reverse toners, there were probably two dozen coins in BC that would fit well in any collection based on color; and perhaps ten or so that would fit well in any collection based on color AND technical quality. Of course, if you collect color, technical quality AND date, then the offerings were quite limited indeed, which is why only two BC coins ended up in my collection: an 1886, and an 1887.
I don't understand the obsession with either promoting or knocking the BC coins. They are what they are. Some are awesome, others quite generic. If the appellation and the "star" had been reserved for the top 100 or so, perhaps there would have been less discussion and dissent.
<< <i>ArtR, I'm sure you're right about Bryan's modesty. Besides, we could all use a dose of modesty and humility once in a while, and none moreso than I. Here are Bryan's own words:
I'm almost afraid to show my collection these days because you guys all seem to think that the coins are now legendary. They're decent, or "cute" as I say, but probably no better than others you've seen and bought.
As for Battle Creek vs. Continental Bank Hoard, the few experienced dealers who were around for both hoards agreed that the BC coins were comparable to CBH. Both Mike DeFalco and Larry Shepherd thought there was a good chance that the (9) BC bags actually came from CBH, or from a very similar source or circumstance. I would say that, including reverse toners, there were probably two dozen coins in BC that would fit well in any collection based on color; and perhaps ten or so that would fit well in any collection based on color AND technical quality. Of course, if you collect color, technical quality AND date, then the offerings were quite limited indeed, which is why only two BC coins ended up in my collection: an 1886, and an 1887.
I don't understand the obsession with either promoting or knocking the BC coins. They are what they are. Some are awesome, others quite generic. If the appellation and the "star" had been reserved for the top 100 or so, perhaps there would have been less discussion and dissent.
ArtR, I would love to see your coins one day.
Best, Sunnywood >>
Well said as usual Sunnywood.Thanks to Art R.,Gemtone,toneddollars,Tom B. and a few others for putting some true experienced opinions in this thread.My opinion is about 50 and 20 in Sunnywoods 2 categories.
Great coins are not cheap,and cheap coins are not great!
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<< <i><< I'm familiar with stock forum pumpers, but this is the first coin pedigree pumper I've ever seen. Perhaps you are the only one.
I've got a bunch of crescent toned 1887-Ps that you couldn't tell the difference between it or a BC coin. They aren't in NGC * holders either. >>
If they're not in Star* holders, there's likely a reason for it. >>
Yeah, the submitter didn't get an automatic star deal like the submitter of the BC hoard.
Russ, NCNE >>
I think the star was probably given for one of two reasons... the beauty of the coins, and the beauty of the pedigree. Therefore they all fall into the classification of the Star*. Thanks for the clarification.
<< <i>I'm familiar with stock forum pumpers, but this is the first coin pedigree pumper I've ever seen. Perhaps you are the only one. >>
Perfect analogy. And he's got 1, count em, one BC. He kept going on for months about how he was shopping for another, then suddenly toners were not his bag anymore. Today they are again!
And the pumping about those two sellers tells me all I need to know the market for these. You can only sell so many to the guild, which is what, six guys?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Some were also housed in NGC plastic as well.
peacockcoins
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<< <i>I've always felt if they're not slabbed, there's probably a reason for that as well. >>
You get lamer by the minute. >>
...and you stay steadily consistent.
Edited to explain: I feel monster toned coins have more validation if they're graded by a TPG. JMHO. They may or may not be legit one way or the other, but in today's age, like it or not, certification is key.
<< <i>I think the star was probably given for one of two reasons... the beauty of the coins, and the beauty of the pedigree. >>
Wow....that's Deep.
I had better run and get my hip waders until you decide to put a sock in it.
It sounds to me like someone is about to put his BC on the market, and needs a little hype.
<< <i>Edited to explain: I feel monster toned coins have more validation if they're graded by a TPG. JMHO. They may or may not be legit one way or the other, but in today's age, like it or not, certification is key. >>
As shocking as it seems, there are collectors who don't need a label to tell them what they should buy.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>Edited to explain: I feel monster toned coins have more validation if they're graded by a TPG. JMHO. They may or may not be legit one way or the other, but in today's age, like it or not, certification is key. >>
As shocking as it seems, there are collectors who don't need a label to tell them what they should buy.
Russ, NCNE >>
True, and hard to argue with. But, best of luck when wanting to sell.
This thread was lame from the word go. Didn't dizzy promise somewhere to give it a rest with these lame BC threads?
Have fun tonight, guys!
<< <i>Battle Creek is to toned Morgans what McDonalds is to hamburgers.
Have fun tonight, guys! >>
<< <i><<< ...Absolutely none finer in the hobby, period. I've been doing a lot of research on toned Morgans and there is no doubt that the most beautiful examples over-all in the hobby are from the Battle Creek pedigree collection. I've tried to convince myself otherwise, but to no avail. >>>
This thread was lame from the word go. Didn't dizzy promise somewhere to give it a rest with these lame BC threads? >>
Yea, but you know what they say about promises...
As far as this thread, I don't think the definition of a 'lame' thread instigates over 60 replies. I'd call it aggressive hobby opinion negotiations.
Translation: everyone telling dizzy what a tool he is...
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<< <i>Battle Creek is to toned Morgans what McDonalds is to hamburgers.
Have fun tonight, guys! >>
Good point, and McDonalds hamburgers are the most well known and popular hamburgers in the known hamburger world. Just like BC coins are in the Morgan world. Again... excellent analogy.
<< <i>As far as this thread, I don't think the definition of a 'lame' thread instigates over 60 replies. I'd call it aggressive hobby opinion negotiations
Translation: everyone telling dizzy what a tool he is...
Edited to be nicer.
I must ask you... You're calling me a tool because of my appreciation for the Battle Creek Collection. So are you saying anyone who likes them are tools?
Being the best know doesnt make them the "best" McHorsemeat burgers are soy, sawdust and roadkill. Overproduced chum for the brainless lazy masses.
<< <i>"Good point, and McDonalds hamburgers are the most well known and popular hamburgers in the known hamburger world"
Being the best know doesnt make them the "best" McHorsemeat burgers are soy, sawdust and roadkill. Overproduced chum for the brainless lazy masses. >>
Wow, sounds like someone is adverse to fast food.
<< <i>Being the best know doesnt make them the "best" McHorsemeat burgers are soy, sawdust and roadkill. Overproduced chum for the brainless lazy masses. >>
take that statement back there is no soy in them!
myCCset
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<< <i>Being the best know doesnt make them the "best" McHorsemeat burgers are soy, sawdust and roadkill. Overproduced chum for the brainless lazy masses. >>
take that statement back there is no soy in them!
Perhaps toned coins contain soy.
<< <i>If they're not in Star* holders, there's likely a reason for it. >>
-I saw GSAguys in the Capitol Plastics holders at that same Long Beach show a few years ago.
This place is fun
You and I will go in 50/50 on this little hottie:
Battle Creek Beauty
We crack it, and send it in raw to NGC. If it gets your star* designation again, you keep the coin and I reimburse you the other 50%. If it does not, I keep it, and you reimburse me. Oh, yeah, and the loser never posts here again (and does not create another handle).
You've got the money, cupcake, but do you have any balls? You had better hope those fingerprints are on the slab
<< <i>Hey Dizzy! I've made this offer before, and I'll make it again.
You and I will go in 50/50 on this little hottie:
Battle Creek Beauty
We crack it, and send it in raw to NGC. If it gets your star* designation again, you keep the coin and I reimburse you the other 50%. If it does not, I keep it, and you reimburse me. Oh, yeah, and the loser never posts here again (and does not create another handle).
You've got the money, cupcake, but do you have any balls? You had better hope those fingerprints are on the slab
Go for it cupcake, and let us all know how it turns out. And regardless of how it turns out, the rule is that you never post here again.
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<< <i>Hey Dizzy! I've made this offer before, and I'll make it again.
You and I will go in 50/50 on this little hottie:
Battle Creek Beauty
We crack it, and send it in raw to NGC. If it gets your star* designation again, you keep the coin and I reimburse you the other 50%. If it does not, I keep it, and you reimburse me. Oh, yeah, and the loser never posts here again (and does not create another handle).
You've got the money, cupcake, but do you have any balls? You had better hope those fingerprints are on the slab
Go for it cupcake, and let us all know how it turns out. And regardless of how it turns out, the rule is that you never post here again.
C'mon, Dizz, that's a fantastic coin! Let's do it! Are you game, or not?
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<< <i>Hey Dizzy! I've made this offer before, and I'll make it again.
You and I will go in 50/50 on this little hottie:
Battle Creek Beauty
We crack it, and send it in raw to NGC. If it gets your star* designation again, you keep the coin and I reimburse you the other 50%. If it does not, I keep it, and you reimburse me. Oh, yeah, and the loser never posts here again (and does not create another handle).
You've got the money, cupcake, but do you have any balls? You had better hope those fingerprints are on the slab
Go for it cupcake, and let us all know how it turns out. And regardless of how it turns out, the rule is that you never post here again.
C'mon, Dizz, that's a fantastic coin! Let's do it! Are you game, or not? >>
I'm beginning to grow bored of arguing an inarguable point. On to the next controversy... Anyone for monster-toned Peace Dollars???
<< <i>I'm beginning to grow bored of arguing an inarguable point. On to the next controversy... Anyone for monster-toned Peace Dollars???
Translation: The board handed me my ass YET again, so now I'll take my ball and go home.
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<< <i>I'm beginning to grow bored of arguing an inarguable point. On to the next controversy... Anyone for monster-toned Peace Dollars???
Translation: The board handed me my ass YET again, so now I'll take my ball and go home. >>
Translation of translation: I'm clueless as to how construct a valid point.
<< <i>Hey Dizzy! I've made this offer before, and I'll make it again.
You and I will go in 50/50 on this little hottie:
Battle Creek Beauty
We crack it, and send it in raw to NGC. If it gets your star* designation again, you keep the coin and I reimburse you the other 50%. If it does not, I keep it, and you reimburse me. Oh, yeah, and the loser never posts here again (and does not create another handle).
You've got the money, cupcake, but do you have any balls? You had better hope those fingerprints are on the slab
I hadn't seen your offer, or this coin before. He,ll of a point you've got here. Gotta diminish the entire pedigreed.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
<< <i>I'm not interested in the faux debate and in fact this response is not particularly meant for the main respondants to this thread. Rather, it is directed to others who might be interested in some of the coins written about in these posts. I will say that Bryan's Morgans are a spectacular group that I have been able to view in-hand, and more than once, through their Capital Plastics holders. Yes they are raw, but quite a few, if not nearly all of them, were cracked from PCGS or NGC holders in order to customize their display. I've also seen some of ArtR's coins in-hand and these, too, contained some spectacular examples. As for BC, well, debate what you want, troll what you want or think what you want, but I could in no manner agree that the body of this marketed hoard is nicer than any number of a large pool of other Morgan dollars that would be considered inferior to the two collections I mentioned above. This of course does not mean that upper end BC coins could not be considered quite special, it just puts an upper limit on the hyperbole. True, this is my opinion only, but it may be worth something to someone here. >>
A response with substance, from now on I'm just going to PM you Tom.
Rainbow Stars
Prices paid for toned Coins are often times as exorbitant as the renowned "Madonna on Toast" that so famously sold on eBay.
<< <i>On November 23, 2004, a grilled cheese sandwich that contained the likeness of the Virgin Mary was sold for $28,000 in an eBay auction by Diana Duyser from Hollywood, Florida. Duyser explained, "I made this sandwich 10 years ago. When I took a bite out of it, I saw a face looking up at me - it was Virgin Mary starring (sic) back at me. I was in total shock." She kept the toast surrounded by cotton wool, in a plastic container on a stand. Duyser claimed that although a decade old, the toast has not shown any sign of mold or crumbling, which she considered as "a miracle". She also believed its mystical properties have brought her blessings, including a $70,000 win in a nearby casino. The sandwich was purchased by the online casino, GoldenPalace.com, which is known for its publicity stunts. The company said that they planned to undertake a world tour with the sandwich and then sell it, with proceeds going to charity. [4] The pan that was used to make the sandwich was sold on eBay >>
With the ever widening acceptace of the high valuations given to toned coins, the method of creation is often times ignored. It's sort of like the Madonna Toast. Faith in the value is viewed as proof enough of the toned coins authenticity.
More "inspired buying"
<< <i>I'm going with Dizzy on this one..... he knows things!!!! >>
Steve, I always knew you were wiser than most.
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<< <i>I'm going with Dizzy on this one..... he knows things!!!! >>
Steve, I always knew you were wiser than most.
I might have forgot to add.........
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<< <i>I'm going with Dizzy on this one..... he knows things!!!! >>
Steve, I always knew you were wiser than most.
I might have forgot to add.........
Oh, you're such a kidder.
You can't swing a dead cat at a coin show without hitting a dozen or so Battle Creek Morgans. 'night.
<< <i>Did somone say Peace dollars : PCGS-66 1922-D
Jack, Love that peace dollar
<< <i>IMHO, the Binion and Bass "pedigrees" hold more importance as they have historical significance imparted by the previous ownership. If you think a made up name assigned by a guy who owned em for a few weeks makes for a better "pedigree", power to ya.
You can't swing a dead cat at a coin show without hitting a dozen or so Battle Creek Morgans.
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It's nice to see someone around here has some sense about them.
With the proper licensing fee, perhaps the " Peter Max Collection" could have been applied to these Coins. Art World dummies might have been caught up into the hype.
-- The toned coins in the Continental Bank hoard, disbursed about 20 years ago, generally were far superior in surface quality and color in my judgment than those in the Battle Creek hoard. The pictures we've seen of the Battle Creek coins are what the Continental bank hoard coins really looked like.
-- The top 10 coins in the BC hoard would I believe indeed fit nicely into Bryan's collection. Beyond that level, Bryan probably would retail the top 10-100, and pass on the rest.
-- As for the quality of Bryan's collection campared to anything else, let me put it this way: one of my goals is to have my top 50 toners comparable in quality to his second top 50 pieces. Anything more ambitious is simply not realistic. But, attainment of even this seemingly modest goal is not likely. To illustrate, several of my A box of toned Morgans were acquired directly or indirectly from Bryan, who apparently didn't think they were spectacular enough for his private collection.
-- Bryan did break out almost all of his coins from previously certified holders, but as far as I know not the MS68's.
-- I have never seen a PL end roller; Coxe makes them sound almost common.
-- Art R's top 50 toners likely are more than a match for Bryan's second 50, and certainly wouldn't embarass themselves even against Bryan's top 50.
-- The scope of Sunnywood's toned dollar collection by date is probably now unsurpassed. Moreover, Sunnywood has some spectacular individual pieces that would be hard to beat in anyone's collection. However, if the date exists in Bryan's or Art R's collection, then with two exceptions I can think of, Sunywodd would have to settle for third place based on the top pieces by date for known collections -- not too bad a place to be, I might say.
I have viewed Bryan's complete collection and that is a lot of toned dollars (I quit counting after 100 or so) I did not see one coin that I would not add to my collection!!
Doug (Sunnywood) Bryan is very humble when it comes to his collection. Believe me when I say that the legendary status applied to his coins is not being over done. I would say his top 100 coins would be classified as true monsters and the remainder would fit into the A boxes of any toned dollar collection I have looked at over the years and I have viewed a few.
Marshall, Bryan broke out his 68 that was in a PCGS holder a couple of months ago.
I'm almost afraid to show my collection these days because you guys all seem to think that the coins are now legendary. They're decent, or "cute" as I say, but probably no better than others you've seen and bought.
As for Battle Creek vs. Continental Bank Hoard, the few experienced dealers who were around for both hoards agreed that the BC coins were comparable to CBH. Both Mike DeFalco and Larry Shepherd thought there was a good chance that the (9) BC bags actually came from CBH, or from a very similar source or circumstance. I would say that, including reverse toners, there were probably two dozen coins in BC that would fit well in any collection based on color; and perhaps ten or so that would fit well in any collection based on color AND technical quality. Of course, if you collect color, technical quality AND date, then the offerings were quite limited indeed, which is why only two BC coins ended up in my collection: an 1886, and an 1887.
I don't understand the obsession with either promoting or knocking the BC coins. They are what they are. Some are awesome, others quite generic. If the appellation and the "star" had been reserved for the top 100 or so, perhaps there would have been less discussion and dissent.
ArtR, I would love to see your coins one day.
Best,
Sunnywood
Sunnywood's Rainbow-Toned Morgans (Retired)
Sunnywood's Barber Quarters (Retired)
I wish he would bring that 78cc (No Batteries Needed) out again.
<< <i>ArtR, I'm sure you're right about Bryan's modesty. Besides, we could all use a dose of modesty and humility once in a while, and none moreso than I. Here are Bryan's own words:
I'm almost afraid to show my collection these days because you guys all seem to think that the coins are now legendary. They're decent, or "cute" as I say, but probably no better than others you've seen and bought.
As for Battle Creek vs. Continental Bank Hoard, the few experienced dealers who were around for both hoards agreed that the BC coins were comparable to CBH. Both Mike DeFalco and Larry Shepherd thought there was a good chance that the (9) BC bags actually came from CBH, or from a very similar source or circumstance. I would say that, including reverse toners, there were probably two dozen coins in BC that would fit well in any collection based on color; and perhaps ten or so that would fit well in any collection based on color AND technical quality. Of course, if you collect color, technical quality AND date, then the offerings were quite limited indeed, which is why only two BC coins ended up in my collection: an 1886, and an 1887.
I don't understand the obsession with either promoting or knocking the BC coins. They are what they are. Some are awesome, others quite generic. If the appellation and the "star" had been reserved for the top 100 or so, perhaps there would have been less discussion and dissent.
ArtR, I would love to see your coins one day.
Best,
Sunnywood >>
Well said as usual Sunnywood.Thanks to Art R.,Gemtone,toneddollars,Tom B. and a few others for putting some true experienced opinions in this thread.My opinion is about 50 and 20 in Sunnywoods 2 categories.