Battle Creek Morgans...

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 3:38AM

...Absolutely none finer in the hobby, period. I've been doing a lot of research on toned Morgans and there is no doubt that the most beautiful examples over-all in the hobby are from the Battle Creek pedigree collection. I've tried to convince myself otherwise, but to no avail.

tradedollarnut · February 24, 2007 3:59AM

This board just isn't the same without a dizzyfoxx Battle Creek thread...

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 4:03AM

<< This board just isn't the same without a dizzyfoxx Battle Creek thread...

>>

...It's been way to long!

Gotta

those BC Morgans!

Russ · February 24, 2007 4:07AM

GSAGUY's Morgan collection blows away the coins in the BC hoard.

Russ, NCNE

Myqqy · February 24, 2007 4:08AM

I want to hear more about this "research" you've been doing....

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 4:11AM

<< GSAGUY's Morgan collection blows away the coins in the BC hoard.

Russ, NCNE >>

I don't think so. The BC Morgans are the most impressive pedigreed collection in the hobby, hands down. We all have our opinions, but arguing this point is an effort in futility. Of course, JMWO.

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 4:15AM

<< I want to hear more about this "research" you've been doing....

>>

Scientific, forensic, biological, and metallurgical.

66RB · February 24, 2007 4:19AM

<< We all have our opinions, but arguing this point is an effort in futility. >>

BigMoose · February 24, 2007 4:24AM

dizzy, if you ever get the chance to see some of GSAGuy's monster neon toned Morgans you will crap your pants.

AU58WALKERS · February 24, 2007 4:26AM

I sure would like to see GSAGUY's Morgan collection

crito · February 24, 2007 4:28AM

Battle Creek Morgans get an A+ for being original but I'm not sure they're worth the premiums being paid. Too many reverse toners and seems like NCG was handing out stars just for the pedigree, even to some very mediocre coins IMHO. But I have to admit I haven't seen a single one that looked AT.

Coxe · February 24, 2007 4:36AM

As a group, they do indeed represent the exceptional. However, there are arguably nicer original toners out there, like nice endroll PLs, relative to the average BC piece. There are no absolutes and with a set that large it would be implausible to push them all above the rest or to state that the entire census of top toners are exclusively BC. That takes nothing away from them either.

goose3 · February 24, 2007 4:47AM

<< GSAGUY's Morgan collection blows away the coins in the BC hoard.

Russ, NCNE >>

by far.

tradedollarnut · February 24, 2007 4:50AM

<< 

<< GSAGUY's Morgan collection blows away the coins in the BC hoard.

Russ, NCNE >>

I don't think so. The BC Morgans are the most impressive pedigreed collection in the hobby, hands down. We all have our opinions, but arguing this point with me is an effort in futility. Of course, JMWO. >>

braddick · February 24, 2007 4:55AM

<< GSAGUY's Morgan collection blows away the coins in the BC hoard.

Russ, NCNE >>

And thensome.
Elizabeth and I were fortunate to be a part of Brian's (Bryan? I never can remember how to spell his name...) "show and tell" at the Long Beach coin show (at TexasBullionTrader's table) about four years ago and each and every Morgan he took out of its Capital Plastics felt bag was a stand-alone color Morgan. Each was second to none- that is until the next Morgan was showed!

Edited to add:
All other Morgans pale in comparison and having viewed these terrific coins at the beginning of the show kind of placed a damper on the rest of the it!
Imagine going to a five star steak house and after your meal touring a whole bunch of Black Angus restaurants. That's how the rest of the show felt.

pharmer · February 24, 2007 5:00AM

<< GSAGUY's Morgan collection blows away the coins in the BC hoard.

Russ, NCNE >>

Bryan was kind enough to send me quite a few images of his Morgans. I also still have the Superior auction catalogs from the first four BC offerings. So, unlike diz, I can comment from an informed standpoint.

Russ's statement is absolutely true. It's not even close.

Russ · February 24, 2007 5:01AM

<< << GSAGUY's Morgan collection blows away the coins in the BC hoard.

Russ, NCNE >>

I don't think so. The BC Morgans are the most impressive pedigreed collection in the hobby, hands down. We all have our opinions, but arguing this point is an effort in futility. Of course, JMWO >>

You really don't have a clue.

Russ, NCNE

dwssws · February 24, 2007 5:09AM

Have never seen GSAGUY's Morgans

What about Sunnywood's collection? from the images I have seen that is REAL nice also! Have seen a few BC coins and must not have seen the cream of the crop cause I wasn't overly impressed

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 5:11AM

<< 

<< << GSAGUY's Morgan collection blows away the coins in the BC hoard.

Russ, NCNE >>

I don't think so. The BC Morgans are the most impressive pedigreed collection in the hobby, hands down. We all have our opinions, but arguing this point is an effort in futility. Of course, JMWO >>

You really don't have a clue.

Russ, NCNE >>

Oh, quite the contrary.

Russ · February 24, 2007 5:12AM

I've never seen any of ArtR's stuff, but I'd bet it also blows away the BC hoard.

Russ, NCNE

jbsteven · February 24, 2007 5:17AM

<< 

<< GSAGUY's Morgan collection blows away the coins in the BC hoard.

Russ, NCNE >>

I don't think so. The BC Morgans are the most impressive pedigreed collection in the hobby, hands down. We all have our opinions, but arguing this point is an effort in futility. Of course, JMWO. >>

you don't have a clue.

ILikeMercs · February 24, 2007 5:17AM

without having seen EVERY coin of a series ever made, how could you say there are "none finer?"

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 5:21AM

<< 

<< 

<< GSAGUY's Morgan collection blows away the coins in the BC hoard.

Russ, NCNE >>

I don't think so. The BC Morgans are the most impressive pedigreed collection in the hobby, hands down. We all have our opinions, but arguing this point is an effort in futility. Of course, JMWO. >>

you don't have a clue. >>

Once again, in case you missed it..... Oh, quite the contrary.

ColonialCoinUnion · February 24, 2007 5:28AM

I'm not sure I've ever seen any of GSAGUY's Morgan collection.

Can someone describe them in great detail?

Sunnywood · February 24, 2007 5:30AM

By his own estimation, GSAguy feels that the "legendary" status accorded to his collection is overdone. He certainly has many fabulous coins, but it is ridiculous to think that all of his coins are nicer than everything that has been on the market in the last few years. Nice coins still come to the market regularly; monsters not quite so often (but again, by GSAguy's own PM's to me over the last few years, not all of his coins are "monsters" either, tho he cerainly has his share) ... his stash is particularly strong in CC's and common dates. For example, his several '78-CC's, and the two infamous endrollers 1890-CC and 1892-CC are some of the highlights among better dates, according to what he has told me.

Best,
Sunnywood

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 5:33AM

<< I'm not sure I've ever seen any of GSAGUY's Morgan collection.

Can someone describe them in great detail? >>

Apparently they're pretty decent.

For me as a collector, if I were looking for beautifully toned Morgans, I would seek a Battle Creek pedigreed collection example before pursuing any others. They are natural, many are incredibly gorgeous, and they come from a find that has sparked so much interest over the last couple years, that IMO they will only grow in prestige.

pharmer · February 24, 2007 5:36AM

So, we're squarely in two camps. Those who have seen Bryan's coins say diz hasn't got a clue. Those who haven't seen Bryan's coins say they're not so hot

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 5:39AM

<< So, we're squarely in two camps. Those who have seen Bryan's coins say diz hasn't got a clue. Those who haven't seen Bryan's coins say they're not so hot

>>

The only way to handle this debate professionally, respectfully, and realistically, as to which collection is more impressive, is to.........................

...flip a coin!

Russ · February 24, 2007 5:42AM

<< So, we're squarely in two camps. Those who have seen Bryan's coins say diz hasn't got a clue. Those who haven't seen Bryan's coins say they're not so hot >>

I've even sold him one, an MS67 end roller. I know the quality and uniqueness he seeks, and most of the BC hoard wouldn't even merit a second glance from him.

Russ, NCNE

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 5:43AM

<< 

<< So, we're squarely in two camps. Those who have seen Bryan's coins say diz hasn't got a clue. Those who haven't seen Bryan's coins say they're not so hot >>

I've even sold him one, an MS67 end roller. I know the quality and uniqueness he seeks, and most of the BC hoard wouldn't even merit a second glance from him.

Russ, NCNE >>

all the more for collectors like me.

goose3 · February 24, 2007 5:44AM

<< 

<< So, we're squarely in two camps. Those who have seen Bryan's coins say diz hasn't got a clue. Those who haven't seen Bryan's coins say they're not so hot >>

I've even sold him one, an MS67 end roller. I know the quality and uniqueness he seeks, and most of the BC hoard wouldn't even merit a second glance from him.

Russ, NCNE >>

Odd...most of the BC hoard doesn't merit a second look from most people.

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 5:46AM

<< 

<< 

<< So, we're squarely in two camps. Those who have seen Bryan's coins say diz hasn't got a clue. Those who haven't seen Bryan's coins say they're not so hot >>

I've even sold him one, an MS67 end roller. I know the quality and uniqueness he seeks, and most of the BC hoard wouldn't even merit a second glance from him.

Russ, NCNE >>

Odd...most of the BC hoard doesn't merit a second look from most people. >>

tradedollarnut · February 24, 2007 6:49AM

<< So, we're squarely in two camps. Those who have seen Bryan's coins say diz hasn't got a clue. Those who haven't seen Bryan's coins say diz is out to lunch

>>

Dragon keeps bringing up the Continental Bank hoard .... I think I'd listen to his opinion on the matter.

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 6:54AM

<< 

<< So, we're squarely in two camps. Those who have seen Bryan's coins say diz hasn't got a clue. Those who haven't seen Bryan's coins say diz is out to lunch

>>

Dragon keeps bringing up the Continental Bank hoard .... I think I'd listen to his opinion on the matter. >>

jbsteven · February 24, 2007 7:01AM

dizzy

how many BC coins do you own?

I have some for sale. How many do you want?

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 7:10AM

<< dizzy

how many BC coins do you own?

I have some for sale. How many do you want? >>

Not enough. If I decide to buy more however, it will be from Mikey or Island Coins. Thanks anyway.

Russ · February 24, 2007 7:24AM

<< << dizzy

how many BC coins do you own?

I have some for sale. How many do you want? >>

Not enough. If I decide to buy more however, it will be from Mikey or Island Coins. Thanks anyway. >>

Ouch, Jason. You're going to miss your Maui beach front condo payment this month.

Russ, NCNE

Fletcher · February 24, 2007 7:24AM

<< If I decide to buy more however, it will be from Mikey or Island Coins. Thanks anyway. >>

Mikey is the man ... if I was going to buy a toner for my collection, it would be from him. He is one of the few dealers out there from whom you will always get great product and great customer service. He should write a book ... his Morgan-related articles are stellar.

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 7:27AM

<< 

<< << dizzy

how many BC coins do you own?

I have some for sale. How many do you want? >>

Not enough. If I decide to buy more however, it will be from Mikey or Island Coins. Thanks anyway. >>

Ouch, Jason. You're going to miss your Maui beach front condo payment this month.

Russ, NCNE >>

Hey Russ...

Myqqy · February 24, 2007 7:29AM

Listening to dizzy talk out of his backside about coins he hasn't even seen is pretty humorous. I think you need to listen to your yoda friend........

TONEDDOLLARS · February 24, 2007 7:29AM

Having viewed both collections first hand, a few times, I can say that the top few BC coins would fit very nicely into Bryans collection.
Bryan has some amazing coins. I think it was Annaconda who once said, after viewing Bryans collection, he had just seen the number
one and two collection of toned Morgans. Most of Bryans coins are WOW coins, and so are some of the best BC coins. The top BC coins would be right at home in Bryans collection.

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 7:40AM

<< Listening to dizzy talk out of his backside about coins he hasn't even seen is pretty humorous. I think you need to listen to your yoda friend........

>>

clarkbar04 · February 24, 2007 7:57AM

I'm familiar with stock forum pumpers, but this is the first coin pedigree pumper I've ever seen. Perhaps you are the only one.

I've got a bunch of crescent toned 1887-Ps that you couldn't tell the difference between it or a BC coin. They aren't in NGC * holders either.

Hadleydog · February 24, 2007 7:58AM

I have been fortunate enough to have seen most of GSAGuys collection, and yes he has some of the most impressive monsters I have ever seen. The top pieces from the BC hoard would fit nicely into his collection, they are of the same quality. It's a shame the Continental Bank hoard coins were never pedigreed. They were at least equal in quality to the BC hoard, yet there were far more of them.
There are also many collections out there that are kept private, and monsters none of us have seen.

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 8:01AM

<< I'm familiar with stock forum pumpers, but this is the first coin pedigree pumper I've ever seen. Perhaps you are the only one.

I've got a bunch of crescent toned 1887-Ps that you couldn't tell the difference between it or a BC coin. They aren't in NGC * holders either. >>

If they're not in Star* holders, there's likely a reason for it.

jbsteven · February 24, 2007 8:23AM

<< 

<< << dizzy

how many BC coins do you own?

I have some for sale. How many do you want? >>

Not enough. If I decide to buy more however, it will be from Mikey or Island Coins. Thanks anyway. >>

Ouch, Jason. You're going to miss your Maui beach front condo payment this month.

Russ, NCNE >>

I could keep it if only Dizzy would buy my BC toners. I'm gonna miss that place!

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 8:25AM

<< 

<< 

<< << dizzy

how many BC coins do you own?

I have some for sale. How many do you want? >>

Not enough. If I decide to buy more however, it will be from Mikey or Island Coins. Thanks anyway. >>

Ouch, Jason. You're going to miss your Maui beach front condo payment this month.

Russ, NCNE >>

I could keep it if only Dizzy would buy my BC toners. I'm gonna miss that place!

>>

Sorry, Mikey and Island only. They have the best of the best for what's left of the rest.

clarkbar04 · February 24, 2007 8:30AM

<< 

<< I'm familiar with stock forum pumpers, but this is the first coin pedigree pumper I've ever seen. Perhaps you are the only one.

I've got a bunch of crescent toned 1887-Ps that you couldn't tell the difference between it or a BC coin. They aren't in NGC * holders either. >>

If they're not in Star* holders, there's likely a reason for it. >>

Cuz they aren't slabbed, oh comic book one.

dizzyfoxx · February 24, 2007 8:33AM

<< 

<< 

<< I'm familiar with stock forum pumpers, but this is the first coin pedigree pumper I've ever seen. Perhaps you are the only one.

I've got a bunch of crescent toned 1887-Ps that you couldn't tell the difference between it or a BC coin. They aren't in NGC * holders either. >>

If they're not in Star* holders, there's likely a reason for it. >>

Cuz they aren't slabbed, oh comic book one. >>

I've always felt if they're not slabbed, there's probably a reason for that as well.

Russ · February 24, 2007 8:34AM

<< << I'm familiar with stock forum pumpers, but this is the first coin pedigree pumper I've ever seen. Perhaps you are the only one.

I've got a bunch of crescent toned 1887-Ps that you couldn't tell the difference between it or a BC coin. They aren't in NGC * holders either. >>

If they're not in Star* holders, there's likely a reason for it. >>

Yeah, the submitter didn't get an automatic star deal like the submitter of the BC hoard.

Russ, NCNE

Russ · February 24, 2007 8:36AM

<< I've always felt if they're not slabbed, there's probably a reason for that as well. >>

You get lamer by the minute. Warning, incoming clue! GSAGUY's Morgans aren't slabbed.

Russ, NCNE

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