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MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Is the obverse clashed, or is the the coin struck over another coin, or what???


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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Alternatively, could it be that the coin is multiply struck with progressive obverse die rotation?
    Andy Lustig

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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also, not that it matters, but this coin is currently in the Smithsonian, attributed as an R-8 regular dies trial in copper.
    Andy Lustig

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    PentimentoPentimento Posts: 1,367
    I photoshopped the reverse over top of the obverse, reduced opacity so both could be compared. Then made the warmest points of the reverse very saturated and shifted the hue so I could distinguish the two sides while they were merged. Then I free-rotated the reverse. No good matches. So that's out.

    Progressive obverse die rotation, as you put it, jumps out when only the obverse is rotated. There are three white spots in the original image that I marked in red. These are dead on with the eagle's eye. The "second" strike is circled in green and is still a mystery-- a good match shape-wise, but no details clear enough to really stand out. The blue area matches a rotated head very well for sure.

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    I just had a thought that maybe this was the result of just two strikes with a rotated really crazy die. I marked this possibility with red lines, but it’s clear that this is not what happened. Compared head 1 + 3 vs. 2 + 4, as well as 1 + 2 vs. 3 + 4 . I think this is at least 4 rotations. On the other hand, I have a lot to learn. Thanks for the good question. Even if I didn't do anything but state the obvious, I needed a break from work. image

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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks!

    Anyone else?
    Andy Lustig

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,678 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also, not that it matters, but this coin is currently in the Smithsonian, attributed as an R-8 regular dies trial in copper.

    Wow - I thought it was going to be a metal detector find. What's up with the fields - they look rough.

    Would love to find another one outside the Smith for a certain pattern collection.... image
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My first impression was that it was merely random corrosion.
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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks counterfeit to me.

    edited to add:
    BTW, I saw that coin about 15 years ago when I did my book - didn't catch the Smithsonian reference before I posted.

    I doubted it's genuiness then too. But who can argue with the Smithsonian, Mr. Eureka and Capt. Henway, so I defer.
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks counterfeit to me. >>



    Smithsonian... Counterfeit... The mind, she boggles.image

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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Think of it! All that needs be done is some collection gets donated in the 1950's and its in there. Why would a copper die trial be so corroded? Was it thown away? Is there a pedigree?
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    JrGMan2004JrGMan2004 Posts: 7,557 ✭


    << <i>Think of it! All that needs be done is some collection gets donated in the 1950's and its in there. Why would a copper die trial be so corroded? Was it thown away? It there a pedigree? >>



    The 1802 Half Dime in both the Smithsonian and ANA collections are altered date specimens... it is quite conceivable that there are other counterfeits within either collection...
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