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Altered per PCGS, Bodybagged
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Ok, I started this thread last night with different pics from a different light source. Well, tonight I've taken
pics of the Altered 1884-cc (per PCGS) and a 1884-cc GSA in original plastic holder. The results were about
even last night that the BB coin was in fact altered or not altered. Thanks for all responding. Should I resubmit?
The 'altered BB' coins were taken out of the GSA holder by me back some 20 years ago and have resided in
my Nevada shaped CC holder untill I sent them to PCGS (an 1884 and an 1883). So, tonight I've rephoto'd
with the same light source and same distance. There is a difference in the composition of the plastic in the
two holders and that accounts for some color difference. What I want to know from the forum is: what's your
opinion? Is the 1884-cc with the blue background different than the 1884-cc in the GSA plastic? thanks,
bob
First is the 1884-cc Body Bag for being altered
This is GSA still in the holder
pics of the Altered 1884-cc (per PCGS) and a 1884-cc GSA in original plastic holder. The results were about
even last night that the BB coin was in fact altered or not altered. Thanks for all responding. Should I resubmit?
The 'altered BB' coins were taken out of the GSA holder by me back some 20 years ago and have resided in
my Nevada shaped CC holder untill I sent them to PCGS (an 1884 and an 1883). So, tonight I've rephoto'd
with the same light source and same distance. There is a difference in the composition of the plastic in the
two holders and that accounts for some color difference. What I want to know from the forum is: what's your
opinion? Is the 1884-cc with the blue background different than the 1884-cc in the GSA plastic? thanks,
bob
First is the 1884-cc Body Bag for being altered
This is GSA still in the holder
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Russ, NCNE
I don't do that to my coins and always handle by the rims but could that have been done before it was put into the GSA holder? How
much were these coins handled? I've got a GSA, have posted here, with finger prints on them so I know they were handled. So, you
vote don't resubmit? Thanks
bob
A coin that is "thumbed" is most commonly (but not necessarily) thumbed on the cheek, which usually a high point on the coin. The term essentially comes from the concept of rubbing a thumb on an area of the coin until significant blemishes are mostly hidden or worn away, while the rest of the coin looks pristine.
it's so easily spotted by a knowledgeable coin collector? Was it just mishandled along the way and what were
the odds of me getting two, an '84 and an '83 to send in? Well, I just looked through my safe and picked out
two that looked like they would be good submissions and this was my choice! My submission number was 9059149.
bob
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<< <i>Why would someone do that intentionally to a coin if
it's so easily spotted by a knowledgeable coin collector? >>
Because not everyone is a knowledgeable collector, so some less scrupulous people take advantage of that.
Russ, NCNE
years but all by myself and never from a dealer or show. Now, as I wind down in life I'm beginning to
experience the learning that goes with the hobby. Which is all it was to me. I appreciate the responses
and the help that goes with this forum. I like the decention that occasionally crops up too!
bob
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You should show the coin - not a picture of the coin - to an expert and get their opinion. Opinions based on pictures are unreliable.
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they are expert in determining that fact. So, It will stay in the Nevada holder and my kids will have
to deal with it! Thanks to all.
bob
<< <i>Should I resubmit?
You should show the coin - not a picture of the coin - to an expert and get their opinion. Opinions based on pictures are unreliable. >>
I agree with Andy - what some are seeing may be only a shadow from the lighting - if you took it out of the GSA holder and you didn't rub the coin with anything to try and hide marks, it is highly unlikely that the ladies with the white cotton glove employed by the GSA to sort and put those coins in the plastic GSA holder "thumbed" that coin - unless they forgot their white gloves and used their thumb to press the coin into the black plastic insert!
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