How do we get this lsiting ended?

kalch23 · January 17, 2007 4:43AM

and/or jailed?

ziggy29 · January 17, 2007 4:44AM

Uh...why? Is this a stolen image? A hijacked account? I don't get it. Am I missing something here?

guitarwes · January 17, 2007 4:48AM

<< Uh...why? Is this a stolen image? A hijacked account? I don't get it. Am I missing something here? >>

you can clearly see that's a fake NGC holder and a fake coin inside and a fake person selling it..

PerryHall · January 17, 2007 4:53AM

Everything looks fine to me. Can you be more specific?

Regulated · January 17, 2007 4:54AM

That is a real NGC Holder and the cert # verifies as an 1861 $5 in MS64. As far as the auction is concerned, I dunno...

Rodius · January 17, 2007 4:54AM

hijacked account? looks fishy. Only two hours before the auction ends.

Check the feedback, the last coin was bought by another hijacked account????

Someone may be out a lot of money.

I think ebay has live help if you really want to put an end to this.

ziggy29 · January 17, 2007 4:58AM

Let's see. With a little more detective work, I see it has been 3 1/2 years since this eBayer was active until recently selling one coin -- a worn 1922-S Peace Dollar which is worth melt but apparently BIN'd for $50 to another user who hasn't been active in almost a year. That is a bit odd...

storm888 · January 17, 2007 5:03AM

Looks like a group of jacked accounts dealing with each other.

notwilight · January 17, 2007 5:10AM

<< Looks like a group of jacked accounts dealing with each other. >>

Yes, I'd agree. This is a little more sophisticated for a hijacker to sell a coin and get good feedback before pulling off a deal.

Not sure what ebay can do in a case like this. If someone can point out where the photo was stolen from they'll take care of it. Also, I've alerted people their account was hijacked with a simple question that was routed to their e-mail. --Jerry

Rodius · January 17, 2007 5:23AM

I alerted Ebay that this may a hijacked account.

storm888 · January 17, 2007 5:46AM

"This is a little more sophisticated for a hijacker to sell a coin
and get good feedback before pulling off a deal. "

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A deep look shows that some of the FB was left too rapidly.
We either have some super-fast USPS delivery times or we
have scammers. I would guess the latter.

My guess is that there are several accounts involved; all
jacked by the same gang.

notwilight · January 17, 2007 5:51AM

<< "This is a little more sophisticated for a hijacker to sell a coin and get good feedback before pulling off a deal. " ///////////////////////////////////// A deep look shows that some of the FB was left too rapidly. We either have some super-fast USPS delivery times or we have scammers. I would guess the latter. My guess is that there are several accounts involved; all jacked by the same gang. >>

Excellent point.

AU58WALKERS · January 17, 2007 5:56AM

OK, which one of you guys is bidder 5 and who is bidder 6?

ziggy29 · January 17, 2007 5:58AM

<< OK, which one of you guys is bidder 5 and who is bidder 6? >>

Bidder 2 should be very thankful.

Petescorner · January 17, 2007 6:13AM

Definitely a scam. The seller only has 1 feedback after apparently being inactive for years. The person who left that feedback has "bid" on 3 auctions in the past month. link One of the other 3 items he "won" also has a suspicious auction going for an NGC Saint right now. The whole thing reeks.

morgansforever · January 17, 2007 6:14AM

Check out Ebay's new bidding list, all numbers. This will only increse shilled auctions, good job Ebay.

Petescorner · January 17, 2007 6:15AM

Here are two items being "sold" by one of the 3 wins of the same bidder. Another multi-year lapse before selling high dollar coins? Right.

pharmer · January 17, 2007 6:16AM

Wow, pretty impressive detective work, folks.

morgansforever · January 17, 2007 6:18AM

Doesn't this coin sell for around 12 or 13k?

jgrinz · January 17, 2007 6:19AM

I consider myself good at locating pictures stolen ... Cant find the $5 NGC coin ... Unless it was YEARS ago like when the accounts were active ... There is a ugly possiblity. COuld not find it in the NGC regiatry either

Things that make you go hmmmm

Rodius · January 17, 2007 6:40AM

<< Here are two items being "sold" by one of the 3 wins of the same bidder. Another multi-year lapse before selling high dollar coins? Right. >>

Same purchaser on both auctions. mmmmm

seller sattig18477xje

seller jhaxnj8u7g

pcgs69 · January 17, 2007 7:28AM

<< 

<< Here are two items being "sold" by one of the 3 wins of the same bidder. Another multi-year lapse before selling high dollar coins? Right. >>

Same purchaser on both auctions. mmmmm

seller sattig18477xje

seller jhaxnj8u7g >>

Also, check out how quickly feedback was given for these... the Sac auction ended on the 14th and feedback given on the 15th. It's not often the buyer gives feedback before he receives the coin. 2 days for feedback on the other one...

sonoranmonsoon · January 17, 2007 8:54AM

OK, I understand the bidding queastions and concerns. However, I can not see where the NGC holder looks fake. Help me understand.

Myqqy · January 17, 2007 9:33AM

I like the name of the winning bidder- "nothiscoin"....

rec78 · January 17, 2007 5:16PM

I like the name of the winning bidder- "nothiscoin"....

I think that "nothiscoin" is a member of the posse-- This deal will not go through

storm888 · January 17, 2007 5:32PM

"......."nothiscoin" is a member of the posse-- ......."

notwilight · January 17, 2007 5:54PM

<< I consider myself good at locating pictures stolen ... Cant find the $5 NGC coin ... Unless it was YEARS ago like when the accounts were active ... There is a ugly possiblity. COuld not find it in the NGC regiatry either Things that make you go hmmmm >>

the only real ugly possibility would be if he really does own this coin and the auction was legit. Not likely in this case in my opinion. I sent a question about the coin today and got no response.

So are "posse" ebay id's sacraficial and get naru'd after use or does ebay look the other way when the seller is a scammer?

storm888 · January 17, 2007 6:18PM

"So are "posse" ebay id's sacraficial and get naru'd after use or
does ebay look the other way when the seller is a scammer?"

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As a general practice, EBAY is much harder on folks who meddle
on the side of right, than they are on scammers.

Happily, there is little that the venue can do to stop experienced
do-gooders.

Russ · January 18, 2007 8:16AM

<< "So are "posse" ebay id's sacraficial and get naru'd after use or
does ebay look the other way when the seller is a scammer?"

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As a general practice, EBAY is much harder on folks who meddle
on the side of right, than they are on scammers.

Happily, there is little that the venue can do to stop experienced
do-gooders. >>

There are a couple of these ID's that have been jumping in to scam auctions for four years and have not been NARU'd yet.

Russ, NCNE

Rodius · January 19, 2007 7:55AM

Hey it worked, I contacted ebay and got this response.

Thank-you for writing eBay in regard to the seller you are reporting.

Our initial review leads us to believe that this listing may actually be
the result of an unauthorized account takeover. We have since removed
the listing and are now in the process of restoring the account to its
true owner.

For your protection, please be aware that eBay discourages all offsite
transactions, which are initiated by parties other than the seller and
the winning buyer in a completed eBay listing. Sales that take place
outside of eBay carry a potential fraud risk and are not eligible for
eBay services, including feedback, contact information requests, and the
eBay Fraud Protection Program. You can review the services provided
through the eBay Fraud Protection Program at:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/problems-fraud.html

In addition, we do not recommend the use of instant cash wire transfer
services such as Western Union and MoneyGram, and we ask that users
decline sending payment in cases where these are the only methods of
payment offered by the seller. Generally, if payment is sent using an
instant cash wire transfer service and the item is not delivered as
promised, no recourse is available for recovering funds. In most cases,
an escrow service should be used when purchasing high dollar value
items. More information on the benefits and risks of individual payment
methods can be found at:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/isgw-fraud-sending-payments.html

Finally, if you are purchasing a high-dollar item, we highly recommend
that you use a verified escrow service to make the payment. For more
information on using an escrow service, please see the following help
page:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/escrow.html

We are committed to making your eBay experiences pleasant and
fulfilling.

Sincerely,

The auction went poof too.

Petescorner · January 19, 2007 7:57AM

Nice work! Of course the two I linked and reported to them continued without a hitch. I guess eBay only cares some of the time.

ziggy29 · January 19, 2007 8:33AM

Strong work. Unfortunately the same scammers are at it again.

jmski52 · January 19, 2007 8:46AM

Makes one want to win the auction just to pay him a visit in person.

storm888 · January 19, 2007 8:59AM

IF the winner is "real," he will lose his money.

EDITED:

Sorry, wrong thread, BUT true.

How do we get this lsiting ended?

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