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That's my take on all the "discussion" prompted by the compromonedas ModernCrap™/Bad Investment thread. Many, many collector/dealer members just don't grasp the fact that many, many other collector/dealer members and non-members finance what are otherwise accepted as wise purchases by INVESTING in ModernCrap™. Does that make them smarter than everyone else?? I doubt it. It does make them a bit more willing to take the Road Less Traveled, though, a road which often leads to a nice collection.
Al H.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two Roads diverged in a wood, and I---
I took the one less traveled by,
And it has made all the difference!!
(apologies to R. Frost)
Al H.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two Roads diverged in a wood, and I---
I took the one less traveled by,
And it has made all the difference!!
(apologies to R. Frost)
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<< <i>That's my take on all the "discussion" prompted by the compromonedas ModernCrap™/Bad Investment thread. Many, many collector/dealer members just don't grasp the fact that many, many other collector/dealer members and non-members finance what are otherwise accepted as wise purchases by INVESTING in ModernCrap™. Does that make them smarter than everyone else?? I doubt it. It does make them a bit more willing to take the Road Less Traveled, though, a road which often leads to a nice collection.
Al H.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two Roads diverged in a wood, and I---
I took the one less traveled by,
And it has made all the difference!!
(apologies to R. Frost) >>
"Whatever" .......To each his own. Your opinion is just that.....your opinion.
What does it really matter, as long as the indevidual is satisfied
with what they collect and the reasons that they collect. Nobody
need, explain, defend or temporize ,as to their choices. What ever
you decide to collect is wonderful. It's a big world and folks are
entitled to the freedom to choose. If any good folks disagree with
me, please let me know so I can come over your house and rip your leg OFF
Camelot
Modern Crap sucks.
Coin Collecting sucks.
Big Ego's suck.
PCGS sucks.
NGC sucks.
Cover everything ?
Ken
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>Classic Crap sucks.
Modern Crap sucks.
Coin Collecting sucks.
Big Ego's suck.
PCGS sucks.
NGC sucks.
Cover everything ?
Ken
You forgot SCDs suck.
I know many collectors/dealers who buy/sell moderns to finance their REAL collection. I wish I had the knack for it.
What's wrong with that? Oh, I know, some dealers are PO'ed that they didn't get ALL the money. Luckily, I bought my 2 coins from MARK FELD and he was happy for me that I bought moderns and flipped them (I also DO collect ASEs, just not that many
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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If the coin looks good i'll buy it, if it looks like crap i'll pass
Simple, easy and without any issues
1997-present
here's a challenge i'd offer all takers, a challenge to help you grow as a person and as a Numismatist. swallow your pride along with what might be a poorly arrived at decision that all ModernCrap™ is worthless. set aside $50 from your annual coin budget and force yourself to walk around at the next show you attend and look at some stuff you hate for being ModernCrap™ but still find pleasing to your eye(Bullcrap, it is too out there, and you know it!!) don't buy impulsively and with haste, look for quality at the right price and most of all, make certain it's raw and that you've tried to learn a bit; we'll teach you for free if you ask. then get it graded via Economy and wait for the high grade to be posted, the holdered coin to return and the profit from the eBay sale to be received.
you have just invested $50, learned a little and become a kinder gentler ModernCrap™ basher. you almost certainly even made some money while exerting little real effort and i bet you even enjoyed the fun us Modernistas take for granted.
step out on the Road Less Traveled if you want to, it's wide and long...............................
Modern Crap flippers are the same as Wall Street Day Traders....no difference
<< <i>Without this meant to sound negative in any way....
Modern Crap flippers are the same as Wall Street Day Traders....no difference >>
Exactly.
You need not be a collector, to be a flipper.
There are those on this board whose sole purpose is to PROMOTE moderns with the only intent of PROFITEERING. Long-term VALUE is not considered or even remotely cared about. It's about being an operator and someone being a sucka...plain and simple.
Would you buy 20th Anniversary ASE's @ $200 a pop?
Collector of Early 20th Century U.S. Coinage.
ANA Member R-3147111
why is that kind of thinking considered the work of the devil when it's practiced by a ModernCrap™ collector/dealer, but touted as a time honored skill when a ClassicCrap™ collector/dealer does essentially the same thing?? phrase it like the following and tell me it isn't just as accurate:
There are those on this board whose sole purpose is to PROMOTE Classics with the only intent of PROFITEERING. Long-term VALUE is not considered or even remotely cared about. It's about being an operator and someone being a sucka...plain and simple.
if you've deluded yourself into believing that collectors/dealers buying these current products from the Mint are the only ones using the "operator-sucker" business plan, well, you may be mistaken. look at all the well documented coins out there that are dipped white or toyed with in order to get the greater dollar from the bigger sucker. who do you think is perpetrating that fraud on the hobby, all the guys buying from the Mint??
and at another point, many of us have been suckers.
We all have selective amnisia for all of our defeats and bragging
rights for all of our victories.
Camelot
Hey, I don't care if you don't like me buying moderns, so nobody's promoting anything, in my opinion. The threads discussing modern bullion coins and modern clads are meant for people who enjoy the stuff - and that's obviously not you.
And I could care less what you think when I decide to sell one, or two or ten for that matter. Frankly, my selling is none of your business at all, unless you happen to be the buyer.
And if you think that I might be so foolish as to ignore "Long-term Value", you are out of your mind (no offense). Lastly, I don't go looking for "suckas".......if you don't wanna buy a modern coin......don't buy it......nobody's twisting your arm off.
Do I think that every modern coin that the Mint puts out is worth buying? Nope, it actually takes some study and forethought to make a profit, so if you aren't capable of doing that and I am, then who's the "sucka?"
Lastly, if you act hostile, expect hostility in return.....plain and simple. You missed the point. Start over and try again.
I knew it would happen.
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
<< <i>There are those on this board whose sole purpose is to PROMOTE moderns with the only intent of PROFITEERING. Long-term VALUE is not considered or even remotely cared about. It's about being an operator and someone being a sucka...plain and simple.
Hey, I don't care if you don't like me buying moderns, so nobody's promoting anything, in my opinion. The threads discussing modern bullion coins and modern clads are meant for people who enjoy the stuff - and that's obviously not you.
And I could care less what you think when I decide to sell one, or two or ten for that matter. Frankly, my selling is none of your business at all, unless you happen to be the buyer.
And if you think that I might be so foolish as to ignore "Long-term Value", you are out of your mind (no offense). Lastly, I don't go looking for "suckas".......if you don't wanna buy a modern coin......don't buy it......nobody's twisting your arm off.
Do I think that every modern coin that the Mint puts out is worth buying? Nope, it actually takes some study and forethought to make a profit, so if you aren't capable of doing that and I am, then who's the "sucka?"
Lastly, if you act hostile, expect hostility in return.....plain and simple. You missed the point. Start over and try again. >>
Hostile? I stated my opinion based upon my factual experiences...plain and simple. Maybe you missed the point?
Collector of Early 20th Century U.S. Coinage.
ANA Member R-3147111
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
<< <i>that's a good strategy for "getting along" in the world, so what do you do for contention??
I go to work !
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
Modern Crap sucks.
Coin Collecting sucks.
Big Ego's suck.
PCGS sucks.
NGC sucks.
Cover everything ?
Ken, That really sucks!
in just 4 billion years.
Do we really have time for this?
Camelot
<< <i>Exactly.
You need not be a collector, to be a flipper.
There are those on this board whose sole purpose is to PROMOTE moderns with the only intent of PROFITEERING. Long-term VALUE is not considered or even remotely cared about. It's about being an operator and someone being a sucka...plain and simple.
>>
I don't know that this is true. I may be the only one here promoting moderns and
my intent is hardly for the sole purpose of PROFITTEERING on coins without long-
term VALUE. Monetary profit has become much less important to me because of
overriding concerns. At the risk of sounding altruistic there are lots of good reasons
to see these coins become more widely accepted that have nothing to do with profit.
Much of it is just the satisfaction of seeing the coins being saved for future generations.
It's not only collectors who will have interest in our coins but professionals and scientists
of many stripes. It would be nice to be vindicated for the flak tossed my way for many
years.
Others have their own reasons and I won't presume to speak for them but there are a
lot of collectors here. They even collect the platinum coins. There are several who deal in the
coins and many who collect or study them. That some also try to profit without caring
about the coins is hardly a condemnation of either the coins or those trying to profit.
He loved the heavy feel of platnum. As if the very
density of the metal gave some sturdy value to
our coinage that is so sadely lacking in our regular coinage.
Having the ability to hold rare metals, assured by the Mint as
to purity and weight, can only be a good thing for American
Citizens.
When the day of reconning comes and it will surely come,
The arguments that we no longrer need any backing for our currency,
will again be laid to rest and I am afraid, quite forcefully. Ownership of
a supply of precious metal, may well be the foundation of survival, in a world
rushing headlong to the edge of madness. No one nows for certain what specifically
lies before us on any given day. However, those of us who have seen, war, depression,
rationing, human depravity of concentration camps, and all the evils that
man is capable of producing, know that
there will be periods of utmost peril in the months and years that lie ahead. So it has always
been, so shall it always be. Man is a creature doomed to repeat history. Because we have never
been able to truly learn from history.
Camelot
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That's the funniest thing I've read all week...
Our money is only a promise, by an often fickle and capricious Government,
that the paper does indeed have value. This country has not known a real
panick since 1929, but it is possible, that a perfect economic storm could strike
this Nation. Faith in a National currency, can be a shallow and brittle thing. When
that faith is broken, then it is always the people, who do the suffering.
Camelot
Live and let live.
Heh.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
for tomorrow we...........
Camelot
If someone thinks having FS on the label will have a significant premium over any other plat graded by the same company down the road in ten years I'd like to hear their side of the discussion. I am open to being convinced otherwise.
I'm still trying to figure out if real collectors get true coins, or true collectors get real coins.
No need to spend energy trying to change another's opinion and no use trying to figure out WHY others spend money on something that is useless as a collectible (according to opinion).
The real importance is based on whether one is happy with his purchase. Nothing else matters ?
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who can take you seriously with that atvatar???
When you engage in name-calling, you are being hostile. If, in your factual experience, you became a sucka, then next time you might try learning from your mistakes. Don't blame me - I didn't do it to ya.
If I offer one of my Platinum Unc "W" 2006s for sale one day, it won't be misrepresented, puttied, felt-padded, buffed, toned, or doctored. And if someone chooses to buy it, I won't be twisting their arm. So, where's the operator, and where's the sucka?
I took the risk - maybe I win, maybe I lose - but it shouldn't matter to you, either way. Why does it matter to you then? I gotta wonder.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>It's about being an operator and someone being a sucka...plain and simple.
When you engage in name-calling, you are being hostile. If, in your factual experience, you became a sucka, then next time you might try learning from your mistakes. Don't blame me - I didn't do it to ya.
If I offer one of my Platinum Unc "W" 2006s for sale one day, it won't be misrepresented, puttied, felt-padded, buffed, toned, or doctored. And if someone chooses to buy it, I won't be twisting their arm. So, where's the operator, and where's the sucka?
I took the risk - maybe I win, maybe I lose - but it shouldn't matter to you, either way. Why does it matter to you then? I gotta wonder. >>
Who is calling anyone names? Did I call you a name? You are the one who is taking an aggressive position.
Look, chief, what I wrote is my opinion, based upon my experience. As such, I stand by it.
Why are you taking it so personally? I really don't care what you collect. Nor, do I care what you do or don't flip.
Collector of Early 20th Century U.S. Coinage.
ANA Member R-3147111
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."