Hope no one takes this or any other modern bashing post I've ever made too seriously, it's all good fun on my part and not intended to make judgements or insult or offend anyone.
I remember my first clad quarter in 1965. It was strangely beautiful, and I wasn't sure if I should spend it. I don't remember what I spent it on, or when, but I do remember admiring the sandwiched copper and the interesting new color.
Funny thing, the clad coins now don't look the same - they seem brighter and more exact, but don't seem to have the depth of field. Oops, I forgot, since I buy the ultramodern stuff from the Mint, I better watch out for this aesthetic stuff - I might be pegged as a collector.
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<< <i>I love bullion - old and new - and every once in awhile, I get the urge to go find myself a nice coin. I must be some kinda sick, twisted freak >>
Relax jmski52, you don't feel the need to pay an extra $2,000 on an "At'ed"common $100 MS64 Morgan do you? I would assume not. If you did then yes, you would be a sick, twisted freak.
I really don't believe that any one can't realize the reason that classic collectors bash modern collectors.
<< <i>It's the MONEY! >>
If you have a classic collection and see the amount of money being spent by modern collectors on coins that you don't own and realize that if this amount of money was being focused on classic coin, what a winfall you would reap in the appreciation of your coins, then you would bash those coins too!
Same for the Dealers who sell classics, how they must lust after the dollars they see going to a market they don't control or in some cases don't understand.
Lucky for me that I like coins, old ones, new ones, USA and World. I collect what I like and hope you do also.
The "20th Anniversary" designation is generally never sought after by those assembling sets of proof Barber Halves, and won't make them worth any more either.
Owe Contrair! I guaran-dadgum-tee-ya the 20th Anniversery reverse-proof Barber set would sell for more than a 1913 liberty nickel.
<< <i>Just wait til cladking sees this, I'm gonna be in trouble >>
I was waiting for Sam to weigh in on this one.
I used to be a "modern basher" until I met him, way back when, back in the bad old BC ("before computer") days. "Met" him that is, through the NumiNews classifieds and several swaps. Still haven't had the pleasure of meeting him in person.
Through his strange-but-wise ways, I learned that modern coins ain't bad. I still prefer the classics, myself, but moderns are good, too.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
Perhaps everyone "lost" Dragon's smiley face at the end of his post. I respect his knowledge and opinions on Morgans, and tend to agree with most of what he posted, even though it was a mild ' slam' on moderns, i think for the most part it was just some good natured fun. I also collect "moderns", but prefer the looks and designs of the "classics". Just take what he posted with a grain of salt...nothing to get your boxers/panties/briefs in a bunch over.
BTW, Hi Rob!!
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on; I don't do these things to other people, I require the same from them."
I see the difference being the following: The wanna be classic collectors, or accumulators, bash the moderns, which we can't even decide when that begins. The REAL classic collectors, are usually pretty silent on this point. That's because they are also accumulating some of these moderns which WILL be classics, or at least rarities in the near future. Granted, only population rarity wise, as moderns go. What defines a classic? Is it age, price, elitism, grade, population? Whom here can/will give THE definitive definition of a classic coin?
Is the movie Titanic a classic? If not, why? Isn't it the greatest grossing movie of all time? Do we have to wait 50 or 100 years to make it a classic? How about A Christmas Story? Isn't that a classsic? How old are these movies? Granted, they are NOT coins, my bad!! Get my point? I collect Sandwich glass. The factory closed in 1887, I still find pieces which look like brand new. Some I have paid thousands for, and will again. I don't bash collectors of new Fenton glass. Same goes in my Mustang collection. I have 4 from 1996 theu 2004, don't like the new one. I can esaliy afford an older one, but, I choose NOT to. I DON'T bash those owners, but, instead, I PRAISE them when I see how much work they have done in saving their car from a wrecking yard. But, I drift from the subject, must be the mint fumes.
The platinum W unc coins WILL be keys and in great demand, as will the gold and silver coins from this yera. Some have made a LOT of money this year off these coins. Is that a bad thing? NO! More money for the hobby. Some will go into older coins. I have gathered a smaller batch of what are called classics on the quiet. I won't tell what series, but, you can probably figure it out.
I lost out on the platinum sets this year. I made a mistake and ordered too late. They showed me as having 5 sets and 6 singles, or vice versa, on order. Then, about a week later showed them as delivered at the top, and cancelled on the bottom. I called the mint and was told I was too late. They don't have a waiting list for the platinum coins either. Oh well. I won't be a basher because of sour grapes, like some appear to be doing here. Thirty yeras or less from now, the then old time collectors, will say how they had the opportunity to get in on the ground floor but missed out because of pride or bull-headedness.
As Rodney King asked, can't we all get along? You don't HAVE to love ALL coins. Just be patient with other collectors/accumulators as their enthousiasm gets the better of them and they post 20 posts per day on the latest coin/set. It's NOT a bad thing, and WILL blow over soon enough. How many threads are there daily about the gold AGE sets now? Silver ASE sets are dwindling a lot more now, and will be almost non-existant a year from now, so will the 2006 platinum threads. The 2007 platinum threads will abound for awhile though. Percentage wise, the new coin threads will go down, and, the classic coin threads will stay the same or go up as more and more new collectors and people with more money from these new sets go after the classic coins. I still think the most beautiful coin the mint made is the heradic eagle half dollar. But, that's MY opinion. GO AHEAD, FIRE AWAY!!! I'm wearing asbestos underwear, wanna see?! Ray
You only live life once, enjoy it like it's your last day. It just MIGHT be!
The interesting thing to me is the fact that most collectors here, young and old, collect both modern and classic coins, and these collectors are not schizophrenics bashing themselves. The bashers seem to be those who know little about who or what they are bashing. Much like people who don't like others of different ethnicity or nationality, it is due so much to lack of knowledge and/or understanding, or the lack of any desire to gain knowledge or understanding, as the uninformed seal themselves in a vacuum of self-pride where ignorance is bliss. Closed-mindedness will not allow for the education necessary to create understanding. Blissful ignorance stands in the way of comprehension. This is done as a protective measure, to protect the ego. It takes time and effort to learn. It takes humility to let go the fear and the ego, which is necessary to try something new. Humility is not humiliation. At any age, at any level of competence or success, it isn't impossible to learn something new. If there were knowledge, or a desire for knowledge, there would be understanding, and bashing would be replaced with calmer discussions of differences and with education, which in many cases, would mature into understanding, perhaps friendships. As CK mentioned below, all it takes is dropping the prejudice, and then attempting to gain some knowledge. It will open doors to unimagined, unexplored areas, perhaps enjoyment. Now this doesn't mean that a basher will love modern coins or modern coin collectors, it just means that they may understand them, tolerate and maybe even enjoy the differences. And if I can borrow something that Keets said, it will allow the bashers to cease "renting space in their heads" to modern collectors.
Well for me I think some are not giving the low mintage moderns there due. I was born in 1957 and about the best I can get for my birth year is a 1957 proof set. Think of the kids being born from 1986 to present you can get Gold or Platinum coins for your birth year. There's some sweet low mintage coins that only take a few thousand birth year collectors to make them a hit.
Like any hobby as people age they tend to buy things of their past: cars, toys, coins, etc. I don't think the kids today will be any different, as people age and gain wealth they tend to collect fond memories of their past. JMO In fact I'm a little proactive making sure my kids have coins from the year they were born.
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I thik it's just gas...it'll pass.......
Funny thing, the clad coins now don't look the same - they seem brighter and more exact, but don't seem to have the depth of field. Oops, I forgot, since I buy the ultramodern stuff from the Mint, I better watch out for this aesthetic stuff - I might be pegged as a collector.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>I love bullion - old and new - and every once in awhile, I get the urge to go find myself a nice coin. I must be some kinda sick, twisted freak >>
Relax jmski52, you don't feel the need to pay an extra $2,000 on an "At'ed"common $100 MS64 Morgan do you? I would assume not. If you did then yes, you would be a sick, twisted freak.
<< <i>It's the MONEY! >>
If you have a classic collection and see the amount of money being spent by modern collectors on coins that you don't own and realize that if this amount of money was being focused on classic coin, what a winfall you would reap in the appreciation of your coins, then you would bash those coins too!
Same for the Dealers who sell classics, how they must lust after the dollars they see going to a market they don't control or in some cases don't understand.
Lucky for me that I like coins, old ones, new ones, USA and World. I collect what I like and hope you do also.
Dan
<< <i>why do so many collectors of non-Modern coinage seem to be so troubled by and absorbed with those who collect Modern issues[/B >>
It's an elitest thng!
Whats that please.
Eric
Owe Contrair! I guaran-dadgum-tee-ya the 20th Anniversery reverse-proof Barber set would sell for more than a 1913 liberty nickel.
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
<< <i>Just wait til cladking sees this, I'm gonna be in trouble
I was waiting for Sam to weigh in on this one.
I used to be a "modern basher" until I met him, way back when, back in the bad old BC ("before computer") days. "Met" him that is, through the NumiNews classifieds and several swaps. Still haven't had the pleasure of meeting him in person.
Through his strange-but-wise ways, I learned that modern coins ain't bad. I still prefer the classics, myself, but moderns are good, too.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
BTW, Hi Rob!!
<< <i>I was waiting for Sam to weigh in on this one. >>
He did, a few times, with the last one about 29 posts down.
Is the movie Titanic a classic? If not, why? Isn't it the greatest grossing movie of all time? Do we have to wait 50 or 100 years to make it a classic? How about A Christmas Story? Isn't that a classsic? How old are these movies? Granted, they are NOT coins, my bad!! Get my point? I collect Sandwich glass. The factory closed in 1887, I still find pieces which look like brand new. Some I have paid thousands for, and will again. I don't bash collectors of new Fenton glass. Same goes in my Mustang collection. I have 4 from 1996 theu 2004, don't like the new one. I can esaliy afford an older one, but, I choose NOT to. I DON'T bash those owners, but, instead, I PRAISE them when I see how much work they have done in saving their car from a wrecking yard. But, I drift from the subject, must be the mint fumes.
The platinum W unc coins WILL be keys and in great demand, as will the gold and silver coins from this yera. Some have made a LOT of money this year off these coins. Is that a bad thing? NO! More money for the hobby. Some will go into older coins. I have gathered a smaller batch of what are called classics on the quiet. I won't tell what series, but, you can probably figure it out.
I lost out on the platinum sets this year. I made a mistake and ordered too late. They showed me as having 5 sets and 6 singles, or vice versa, on order. Then, about a week later showed them as delivered at the top, and cancelled on the bottom. I called the mint and was told I was too late. They don't have a waiting list for the platinum coins either. Oh well. I won't be a basher because of sour grapes, like some appear to be doing here. Thirty yeras or less from now, the then old time collectors, will say how they had the opportunity to get in on the ground floor but missed out because of pride or bull-headedness.
As Rodney King asked, can't we all get along? You don't HAVE to love ALL coins. Just be patient with other collectors/accumulators as their enthousiasm gets the better of them and they post 20 posts per day on the latest coin/set. It's NOT a bad thing, and WILL blow over soon enough. How many threads are there daily about the gold AGE sets now? Silver ASE sets are dwindling a lot more now, and will be almost non-existant a year from now, so will the 2006 platinum threads. The 2007 platinum threads will abound for awhile though. Percentage wise, the new coin threads will go down, and, the classic coin threads will stay the same or go up as more and more new collectors and people with more money from these new sets go after the classic coins. I still think the most beautiful coin the mint made is the heradic eagle half dollar. But, that's MY opinion. GO AHEAD, FIRE AWAY!!! I'm wearing asbestos underwear, wanna see?! Ray
The bashers seem to be those who know little about who or what they are bashing. Much like people who don't like others of different ethnicity or nationality, it is due so much to lack of knowledge and/or understanding, or the lack of any desire to gain knowledge or understanding, as the uninformed seal themselves in a vacuum of self-pride where ignorance is bliss.
Closed-mindedness will not allow for the education necessary to create understanding. Blissful ignorance stands in the way of comprehension. This is done as a protective measure, to protect the ego.
It takes time and effort to learn. It takes humility to let go the fear and the ego, which is necessary to try something new. Humility is not humiliation. At any age, at any level of competence or success, it isn't impossible to learn something new.
If there were knowledge, or a desire for knowledge, there would be understanding, and bashing would be replaced with calmer discussions of differences and with education, which in many cases, would mature into understanding, perhaps friendships.
As CK mentioned below, all it takes is dropping the prejudice, and then attempting to gain some knowledge. It will open doors to unimagined, unexplored areas, perhaps enjoyment. Now this doesn't mean that a basher will love modern coins or modern coin collectors, it just means that they may understand them, tolerate and maybe even enjoy the differences. And if I can borrow something that Keets said, it will allow the bashers to cease "renting space in their heads" to modern collectors.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
Like any hobby as people age they tend to buy things of their past: cars, toys, coins, etc. I don't think the kids today will be any different, as people age and gain wealth they tend to collect fond memories of their past. JMO