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Franklin Grade Guess ? (Grade/pic up)

JJMJJM Posts: 8,127 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I was a little suprised by the PCGS Grade....will have to see in hand....any guesses?

thx for all the guesses,...I think the coin looks way better than a 64 and I cant believe its FBL.......have to see. Lucy thx for the quick lesson....goood to see ya posting again.....


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  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,551 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ms66fbl, but i'm still learning

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  • jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    I will guess MS66. There is no way I could give a FBL from the picture. That obviously does not mean it isnt a FBL. Nice clean coin though.

    For some reason I bet PCGS says its MS65.
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65 non-FBL, I'll guess.

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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    64 fbl
  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    MS-65.
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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    64 no lines

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  • MokiMoki Posts: 259
    65
  • HeywoodHeywood Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭
    were you surprised high or low?

    looks 64

    Could be 65, but from pictures doesn't look FBL

    I have seen some 65's with more chatter- maybe it was a tweener 64-fbl- 65, and got the 65 but not the FBL (consolation bump)





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  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Bell lines are a bit weak and the strike on the obverse is a bit weak as well. There are a lot of hits on the reverse, and though it's difficult to judge from a photograph to me the lustre on the obverse looks a bit muted as well. I will say MS63FBL, or perhaps MS64 non-fbl but my hunch is the first grade is correct.
  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64. If on the coin, looks like a bad scratch in the left obverse field. Second grade is 63FBL. Hard to tell if the lines to the right are there.
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  • ccexccex Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    MS-65 FBL?
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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS65
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    64 no lines
  • clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615 ✭
    65FBL
  • coinnut86coinnut86 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭
    64
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  • numobrinumobri Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭


    OK,I'll say 63 no fbl.


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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    I don't know if I am seeing a scratch or lint in the Obverse upper field.....

    Coin could be GEM or fall down to MS63 depending on what this 'distraction' is...


    Bells appear incomplete, however sometimes they give em to you on the 60's issues if they appear full from most angles...


    The Master dies were reworked in 1960 bringing back some detail that was lost throughout the 50's, but they didn't do a great job
    on the Bell Lines, making 1960's issues, Philidelphia issues in particular, rather tough..... 1960 being the easiest year to find a FBL... 1961 - 1963 gets rather tough...
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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154 ✭
    MS64
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  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    65 FBL.. Nicely struck, if there are no problems that can not bee seen in pix, then maybe 66FBL.
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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,127 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Its a very lovely coin...

    and it seems to be a solid MS64 just miss gem, as it has a few too many ticks on the reverse to go into a 5 holder.... Though this big coin with open fields tends to have bagmarks...

    This is what I notice with PCGs and Frankies when I submit...

    If the coin looks and appears to be a MS66, it usually goes MS65...

    GEM Frankies can have some hits, and it seems that 51D's tend to get away with more.... but the ticks must be non-distracting and the coins typically have to have very clean fields..

    Clean fields and super luster tends to land that elusive MS66 grade....

    Throw some attractive toning and strong luster, this tends to get a bump in grade....

    I have made some MS67's..... these have to be pretty much hit free, with very appealing toning and super strong luster and a hammered strike......

    the bigger the coin the more allowable marks for a GEM grade..... Roosies damn near have to look perfect to go gem.... as hits on a coin that small is a grade killer....

    atleast this has been my experience over a good 4 years of submitting coins.....


    My eyes have seen thousands of MS64 Frankies, most tend to be rather baggy... yours is a very solid example of a strong 4 holder coin... I like it..
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  • twodrhrdtptwodrhrdtp Posts: 1,025
    The Obv looks 65 to me. the rev has a few to many marks in the fields but could go in a 5 holder I think
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    Looka like a possible candidate for resubmission. image
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