So what is up with NGC and AT coins? I thought they were able to distinquish coins that have been AT. This Peace dollar is also in the new holder, so what are they not seeing that everybody else does?
It does look similar to the other one. Seems like NGC is trying to 'will' people to believe these are naturally toned and, therefore, market acceptable.
Before I clicked the link I figured the seller must not be a "respected" board member. Don't know if it is or not, name don't look familiar anyway. Now, there have been more, perhaps not the same pattern, but of course they were being sold by a "respected" board member. And that's against the rules here to slam their "stuff." I believe when a "respected" board member is selling them, they're called "FUN" coins. or so they say!!
Ya gotta love it.
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Those colors are not natural. I never saw Peace dollars for sale that looked like that 25 to 35 years ago. They were almost allways seen in light gold to russet color, if they are toned, never "rainbow colors."
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It has all the trademark 'tells' of the doctor's work who provided us the first one from a year back.
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Am I lost??? The link is to a 1923, but the eBay image is for a 1928. As for toning, I'm not a seasoned collector like the rest of you, but I have a few years as a machinist/die maker. That coin is with out a doubt torched...
It has all the trademark 'tells' of the doctor's work who provided us the first one from a year back.
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Am I lost??? The link is to a 1923, but the eBay image is for a 1928. As for toning, I'm not a seasoned collector like the rest of you, but I have a few years as a machinist/die maker. That coin is with out a doubt torched... >>
It's a 23. Often the 1923 Peace Dollar is mistaken for a 28. The loops to the left almost close. Plus, the 28 would be much more expensive.
If you think a monitor can make that kind of difference, you would also buy into the claims that certain extremely juiced Morgan images look that way because of monitor differences.
Take a look at a row of TV's at an electronic store or department sometime, when they are all tuned to the same thing. You don't see differences like that. That should dispel your concerns that monitors make much of a difference in coin appearances. They don't. A juiced image is a juiced image, not a monitor variation.
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>So what is up with NGC and AT coins? I thought they were able to distinquish coins that have been AT. This Peace dollar is also in the new holder, so what are they not seeing that everybody else does? >>
If John C. Public see`s that NGC will holder Q.T coins such as this ; maybe there will be a flood of submissions.
The 1923 MS65* looks very much like the several examples of coins that I bought from this particular coin doctor. Anybody who has seen his work in-hand will recognize that coin as one that was toned using the same methods as he.
<< <i>If you think a monitor can make that kind of difference, you would also buy into the claims that certain extremely juiced Morgan images look that way because of monitor differences.
Take a look at a row of TV's at an electronic store or department sometime, when they are all tuned to the same thing. You don't see differences like that. That should dispel your concerns that monitors make much of a difference in coin appearances. They don't. A juiced image is a juiced image, not a monitor variation. >>
" A juiced image is a juiced image, not a monitor variation. "
I believe i just felt Supercar rolling over in his grave !
<< <i>Am I missing something?? That coin looks absolutely NOTHING like the coin from a while back. >>
Remove the blue toning from the central devices on the MS66 and image it the same way as the MS65, and they would look very similar. I think people are forgetting that these two sets of images were shot using radically different methods.
Remove the blue toning from the central devices on the MS66 and image it the same way as the MS65, and they would look very similar. I think people are forgetting that these two sets of images were shot using radically different methods.
Russ, NCNE >>
My imagination is not good enough to do this.... they just don't look anything alike to me.
<< <i>Remove the blue toning from the central devices on the MS66 and image it the same way as the MS65, and they would look very similar. I think people are forgetting that these two sets of images were shot using radically different methods. >>
Slighty off topic, question: lets say you have a PCGS bust dime and it is a solid MS64, now poof you have the same coin but with monster NT, would the coin then be a MS65? In other words does monster NT add a point based on extraordinary eye appeal?
Real
IMO no, however, if the coin was cracked out and resubmitted it is possible that it could. i do not think that it would automatically go up a point based on the tone with a regrade though.
I'd be interested in hearing what others have to say regarding this.
The "first one from a year back" looks to have a diferent pattern. The "first one from a year back" has well defined, FAKE looking color bands, like the tones was quickly applied and moved quickly across the coin, whereas the current one has more uneven, lesser defined color bands which makes it look more like more slowly developed album tone to me. I'm undecided on the "current" one, from the pict it's questionable and could go either way.
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
I would like to see in hand before passing final judgement.
It being a respected board member or not has no bearing stman. There have been plenty of respected board members held to task for practices that werent on the up and up. Your arguement is frankly quite stale. Comment on the thread, not your agenda.
You and I have always been cool. No need to get bent out of shape. I have informed stman and will say it again. I dont respect his negativity, sarcasm and constant shots here on the board.
Bottom line, IMO, is that he tries to act like he knows more by complaining and cutting other people down. I personally dont think it is right, and I will continue to say so whenever sarcastic, barbed and non directed responses to informative threads are put out.
Really nothing more than that. I dont think my responses are stale at all. Many people work their whole lives at trying to make a fair and honest living in coins. Stman, while a business man, and most certainly a good one at that, has not done it in coins. Bottom line is walk a mile in another mans shoes before you pass judgement and dissention...even if in a passive aggressive manner.
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<< <i>It has all the trademark 'tells' of the doctor's work who provided us the first one from a year back. >>
This one?
Russ, NCNE
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
Seems like NGC is trying to 'will' people to believe these are naturally toned and, therefore, market acceptable.
Lincoln set Colorless Set
Now, there have been more, perhaps not the same pattern, but of course they were being sold by a "respected" board member. And that's against the rules here to slam their "stuff."
Ya gotta love it.
Why would they care? They get their fee either way.
<< <i>Seems like NGC is trying to 'will' people to believe these are naturally toned and, therefore, market acceptable.
Why would they care? They get their fee either way. >>
I don't know, my post was not well-thought out
Does NGC enjoy paying out on guarantees?
Lincoln set Colorless Set
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<< <i>Seems like NGC is trying to 'will' people to believe these are naturally toned and, therefore, market acceptable.
Why would they care? They get their fee either way. >>
I don't know, my post was not well-thought out
Does NGC enjoy paying out on guarantees? >>
What guarantees, Komrade? We're having Raspberry KoolAid in Sarasota today.......it's 70 degrees and cloudy now....showers tomorrow.
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<< <i>Seems like NGC is trying to 'will' people to believe these are naturally toned and, therefore, market acceptable.
Why would they care? They get their fee either way. >>
I don't know, my post was not well-thought out
Does NGC enjoy paying out on guarantees? >>
What guarantees, Komrade? We're having Raspberry KoolAid in Sarasota today.......it's 70 degrees and cloudy now....showers tomorrow.
I was under the, assumption, that NGC had made the owner of the 1st Peace Dollar whole, or close to it.
Have I assumed incorrectly?
Lincoln set Colorless Set
<< <i>What does the "star" designation mean? High end 65? >>
Star designates superior eye appeal, not superior technical quality. In this case, exceptional toning, in the opinions of the graders.
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<< <i>What does the "star" designation mean? High end 65? >>
Star designates superior eye appeal, not superior technical quality. In this case, exceptional toning, in the opinions of the graders. >>
Noted. Thank you.
The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
<< <i><a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Coins-1923-Peace-Dollar-NGC-MS-65-Star_W0QQitemZ200059418743QQihZ010QQcategoryZ11980QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target=blank>eBay LINK</A>
It has all the trademark 'tells' of the doctor's work who provided us the first one from a year back.
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Am I lost??? The link is to a 1923, but the eBay image is for a 1928. As for toning, I'm not a seasoned collector like the rest of you, but I have a few years as a machinist/die maker. That coin is with out a doubt torched...
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<< <i><a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Coins-1923-Peace-Dollar-NGC-MS-65-Star_W0QQitemZ200059418743QQihZ010QQcategoryZ11980QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target=blank>eBay LINK</A>
It has all the trademark 'tells' of the doctor's work who provided us the first one from a year back.
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Am I lost??? The link is to a 1923, but the eBay image is for a 1928. As for toning, I'm not a seasoned collector like the rest of you, but I have a few years as a machinist/die maker. That coin is with out a doubt torched... >>
It's a 23. Often the 1923 Peace Dollar is mistaken for a 28. The loops to the left almost close. Plus, the 28 would be much more expensive.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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<< <i>It has all the trademark 'tells' of the doctor's work who provided us the first one from a year back. >>
This one?
I'll never understand the STAR , but Pat ... surely you jest. These don't look remotely close.
I like ya, but you are trying to snipe one, huh ?
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<< <i>It has all the trademark 'tells' of the doctor's work who provided us the first one from a year back. >>
This one?
Here's the obv of the current Peace Dollar that Braddick linked - Is it my monitor, or do they have a different look?
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Take a look at a row of TV's at an electronic store or department sometime, when they are all tuned to the same thing. You don't see differences like that. That should dispel your concerns that monitors make much of a difference in coin appearances. They don't. A juiced image is a juiced image, not a monitor variation.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>So what is up with NGC and AT coins? I thought they were able to distinquish coins that have been AT. This Peace dollar is also in the new holder, so what are they not seeing that everybody else does? >>
If John C. Public see`s that NGC will holder Q.T coins such as this ; maybe there will be a flood of submissions.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>If you think a monitor can make that kind of difference, you would also buy into the claims that certain extremely juiced Morgan images look that way because of monitor differences.
Take a look at a row of TV's at an electronic store or department sometime, when they are all tuned to the same thing. You don't see differences like that. That should dispel your concerns that monitors make much of a difference in coin appearances. They don't. A juiced image is a juiced image, not a monitor variation. >>
" A juiced image is a juiced image, not a monitor variation. "
I believe i just felt Supercar rolling over in his grave !
<< <i>Am I missing something?? That coin looks absolutely NOTHING like the coin from a while back. >>
Remove the blue toning from the central devices on the MS66 and image it the same way as the MS65, and they would look very similar. I think people are forgetting that these two sets of images were shot using radically different methods.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>
Remove the blue toning from the central devices on the MS66 and image it the same way as the MS65, and they would look very similar. I think people are forgetting that these two sets of images were shot using radically different methods.
Russ, NCNE >>
My imagination is not good enough to do this.... they just don't look anything alike to me.
<< <i>Remove the blue toning from the central devices on the MS66 and image it the same way as the MS65, and they would look very similar. I think people are forgetting that these two sets of images were shot using radically different methods. >>
I agree with Russ.
Real
IMO no, however, if the coin was cracked out and resubmitted it is possible that it could. i do not think that it would automatically go up a point based on the tone with a regrade though.
I'd be interested in hearing what others have to say regarding this.
Steve
i thought this thread had potential...hmm
a bump for old times sake!
INCONCLUSIVE by these photos.
(I still think Pat wants it
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<< <i>I am a bit more open eyed this morning after Russ' post, but am still finding the same word running in my head:
INCONCLUSIVE by these photos.
(I still think Pat wants it
Agreed on both counts.
<< <i>I am a bit more open eyed this morning after Russ' post, but am still finding the same word running in my head:
INCONCLUSIVE by these photos.
(I still think Pat wants it
Yup.
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It being a respected board member or not has no bearing stman. There have been plenty of respected board members held to task
for practices that werent on the up and up. Your arguement is frankly quite stale. Comment on the thread, not your agenda.
Merry Christmas.
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I cant think of any feelings trying to be spared around here, especially by certain people, but I'll bite.
J
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Your barbs directed at him are what's getting quite stale around here.
It would seem you've quite the obsession with Stman as of late.
You and I have always been cool. No need to get bent out of shape. I have informed stman and will say it again. I dont respect his negativity, sarcasm and constant shots here on the board.
Bottom line, IMO, is that he tries to act like he knows more by complaining and cutting other people down. I personally dont think it is right, and I will continue to say so whenever sarcastic, barbed and non directed responses to informative threads are put out.
Really nothing more than that. I dont think my responses are stale at all. Many people work their whole lives at trying to make a fair and honest living in coins. Stman, while a business man, and most certainly a good one at that, has not done it in coins. Bottom line is walk a mile in another mans shoes before you pass judgement and dissention...even if in a passive aggressive manner.
John
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