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AgentGAgentG Posts: 7
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I just had an 1909-S VDB graded by PCGS. They put for grading "NOT Genuine RD" They gave it a cert# and pcgs # of 2428.
What does not genuine rd mean? How do I determine the value of this coin?
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    It means the coin is a fake. Likely mint mark added.

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    cladkingcladking Posts: 29,959 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome aboard.
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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    not genuine rd would mean, not true red as in whizzed or polished or altered surfaces or harshly cleaned or doctored..
    one of those.
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    MisterBungleMisterBungle Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭

    Hi, AgentG!!

    Welcome aboard!!

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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>not genuine rd would mean, not true red as in whizzed or polished or altered surfaces or harshly cleaned or doctored..
    one of those. >>



    That's not what it means. It means the coin is red, but not a genuine '09-S VDB.

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    AU58WALKERSAU58WALKERS Posts: 3,562 ✭
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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    thanks for clarifing that russ.
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    AgentGAgentG Posts: 7
    If it is a fake what are some things to look for to determine this?
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If it is a fake what are some things to look for to determine this? >>



    Your grading result.

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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    Your grading result.
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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<I just had an 1909-S VDB graded by PCGS. They put for grading "NOT Genuine RD" They gave it a cert# and pcgs # of 2428>>.

    I'm buy no means an expert, but this coin is one that is faked, either an added S mm, or an added VDB. My local dealer pointed out that a genuine 09S VDB has a die gouge between R and U in trust, and the S mm is boxy in style. Wish I had a pic, welcome to the boards

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    LeianaLeiana Posts: 4,349 ✭
    Here are some diagnostics for a GENUINE piece:

    The S MM must have vertical, parallel serifs

    There is usually a small die chip in the upper loop of the S

    The center line of the B on the reverse must be diagonal, not horizontal.

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    Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536 ✭


    << <i>My local dealer pointed out that a genuine 09S VDB has a die gouge between R and U in trust, >>


    That might be true for one obverse die, but there were four different obverses used so that little diagnostic would only work about 25% of the time.
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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry to hear your bad news, AgentG, but image to the Forums.

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    jonesyjonesy Posts: 5,031
    Ouch!! What a heart breaker!! image
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    quarterjackquarterjack Posts: 553
    AgentG,
    Sorry to hear this, i got snagged on one about 6 years ago.
    Slightly expensive lesson learned. image

    Welcome aboard!image

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,526 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AgentG---Is there any possibility of returning this coin to the person that you bought it from for a refund?

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    AgentGAgentG Posts: 7
    Unforunately NOT, It belonged to my father who has past on. I don't know where he got it from. I do remember as a kid him showing and telling tell me about it and that he paid a lot for it. My mother ask me to try and sell some of his coins. She's 78 and could use the money.
    I wish I did, not that it would do me much good. It just ticks me off, knowing he got ripped off. I don't think I should tell her.
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    robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    The coin is not even necessarily red, as is my understanding. The coin number assigned is for the RED version of the 09sVDB, there is another for RB and one for BN. The designation was added automatically as a function of the coin number. RD is default, and evaluating which number to use was pointless once the coin was determined to be not genuine.
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    jdrasberryjdrasberry Posts: 17
    Sure wish you could post a photo of it.
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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think robert is correct that the RD is only becuase the intial coin number system for submission is the red number, had it been authentic, and gradeable, it would have recieved the coin # for the designation it was. PCGS entry system assigns a serial number and coin ident number to all incoming submission wether or not it gets authenticated, graded or not.
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    bhartman35bhartman35 Posts: 1,398


    << <i>Unforunately NOT, It belonged to my father who has past on. I don't know where he got it from. I do remember as a kid him showing and telling tell me about it and that he paid a lot for it. My mother ask me to try and sell some of his coins. She's 78 and could use the money.
    I wish I did, not that it would do me much good. It just ticks me off, knowing he got ripped off. I don't think I should tell her. >>



    AgentG:

    Sorry to hear that your father got scammed on that coin. That sucks. image Hopefully he had other coins in his collection that can help your mother out. Did you get any other coins graded? Whether you tell her or not is up to you. I'm not sure what I'd do in similar circumstances.

    On the positive side, you should keep that coin as an heirloom. He thought enough of the coin to pay big bucks for it and hang on to it. Even though the true monetary value turned out to be negligible, it obviously meant something to him.
    If you haven't noticed, I'm single and miserable and I've got four albums of bitching about it that I would offer as proof.

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