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1914-D $2.50 Gold: Is it real or Memorex? (Six pix)
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I have two concerns only when I get one of these: Is it authentic, and has it been cleaned?
First, I've taken some pix of the key areas for counterfeit detection:
(1) The area between the 1 and 4 on "14" in the date. Counterfeits typically sport a depression between the 1 and 4, but the mark here does not seem to be located in the classic fashion for a counterfeit--it is too high, too close to the P in "BLP."
(2) The mint mark itself. I realize the "D" is not perfect, but is it fishy?
(3) The recessed area at the back of the Indian's neck. Counterfeit examples typically show evidence of tooling, and I wouldn't know tooling marks if you tooled my own neck.
Could someone knowledgeable on these take a look convey some thoughts?
Thanks so much,
Guy
First, I've taken some pix of the key areas for counterfeit detection:
(1) The area between the 1 and 4 on "14" in the date. Counterfeits typically sport a depression between the 1 and 4, but the mark here does not seem to be located in the classic fashion for a counterfeit--it is too high, too close to the P in "BLP."
(2) The mint mark itself. I realize the "D" is not perfect, but is it fishy?
(3) The recessed area at the back of the Indian's neck. Counterfeit examples typically show evidence of tooling, and I wouldn't know tooling marks if you tooled my own neck.
Could someone knowledgeable on these take a look convey some thoughts?
Thanks so much,
Guy
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Hopefully, I am wrong.
Nice pix, btw
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and have no experiance grading them......this is the only Indian gold I have
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I think the D looks tooled b/c the coin might have been in a jewelry holder which caused that strange line right through the middle. Just my uneducated guess.
<< <i>This is my guess--it is ex-jewelry and cleaned. I am not sure why one would add a "D" mint mark the 1914 because the 1914-P is the semi-key date in the series. Unless it was practice for a 1911, I don't see why any counterfeiter would add a "D" to this coin.
I think the D looks tooled b/c the coin might have been in a jewelry holder which caused that strange line right through the middle. Just my uneducated guess. >>
I can buy the cleaning; the coin has hairlines, although (a) they don't seem to run in one direction and (b) I've seen certified coins with worse hairlining. But the jewelery thing I am much less sure about. For one thing, jewelry pieces seem to have been polished/whizzed, and this coin doesn't have that look at all. Second, the line near the rim, which courses through the D, are not unusual on these. Finally, jewelry pieces are rarely AU; they've been handled more extensively than that.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm merely bouncing these back at you to provoke more discussion. I am certain you know more about these than I do, and I appreciate your contributing your thoughts.
Guy
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<< <i>I have to ask how did you get such clear closeup pics? >>
Aimed the camera through the loupe, then jostled it all until it came into focus. Very scientific, eh?
Good thing I only had one cup of coffee today.
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<< <i>This is my guess--it is ex-jewelry and cleaned. I am not sure why one would add a "D" mint mark the 1914 because the 1914-P is the semi-key date in the series. Unless it was practice for a 1911, I don't see why any counterfeiter would add a "D" to this coin.
I think the D looks tooled b/c the coin might have been in a jewelry holder which caused that strange line right through the middle. Just my uneducated guess. >>
I can buy the cleaning; the coin has hairlines, although (a) they don't seem to run in one direction and (b) I've seen certified coins with worse hairlining. But the jewelery thing I am much less sure about. For one thing, jewelry pieces seem to have been polished/whizzed, and this coin doesn't have that look at all. Second, the line near the rim, which courses through the D, are not unusual on these. Finally, jewelry pieces are rarely AU; they've been handled more extensively than that.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm merely bouncing these back at you to provoke more discussion. I am certain you know more about these than I do, and I appreciate your contributing your thoughts.
Guy >>
No problem, there is nothing wrong with discussion, argument or disagreement.
I am certainly no expert but I think that the line through the D is post mint damage. I have noticed that these coins do have the line around the rim like you said. However, if this were a planchet characteristic, why would it spilt the D?
The coin is genuine.......
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Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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I have to say that they look identical. I'd also say it was legit, too.
Ummm, at 58, mine does look just a tad cleaner, tho...
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<< <i>I have to ask how did you get such clear closeup pics? >>
Aimed the camera through the loupe, then jostled it all until it came into focus. Very scientific, eh?
Good thing I only had one cup of coffee today.
with macro or without macro?
with macro or without macro? >>
I trully don't know. The auto focus kicks in when I depress the shutter half way, I then monkey with it until the focus is as good as I can get it with my trembling hands.