Any Advice. I feel I have an MS67 Franklin---++ UPDATED PICS INSIDE++

twodrhrdtp · November 26, 2006 11:01AM

It is in a PCGS MS66 now. I am looking for some detailed pics of other 67s to compare. Mine has what looks to be a flake on the reverse that looks like it is peeling up. Any ideas what this would be and would it hurt the grade These are what I have for now

Here is a pic to show the flake(not a good one but best I can do) Located a 2 o'clock

These are better
Most of what you see is scratches on the slab.

bushmaster8 · November 26, 2006 10:10PM

It can't hurt to give it a try, or two, or three.

Only neg I see is a slight striking weakness. On the first pic it looks as if there is some weakness in the peripheral lettering on the reverse, but then again, could be just the pic, because the lettering looka fuller in the smaller pic.

I think they like to see some sideburn detail, but if everything else is all there...maybe. The planchet flake should not affect the grade.

It's dang nice regardless of what the holder says!

TwoSides2aCoin · November 26, 2006 10:26PM

I personally have a difficult time grading this type of coin(toned) without seeing the many angles. It is a lot harder to say from one dimension. I believe if you think it is a 67, you really should send it in. That would be great, but I also believe it's gonna be tough.

I don't know.

twodrhrdtp · November 26, 2006 10:58PM

Thanks for the info. Now to crack out or not to crack out?

MadMarty · November 26, 2006 11:04PM

If it's in a PCGS 66 holder now it will always be in a 66 holder. Haven't you learned here that PCGS is never wrong!!!

291fifth · November 26, 2006 11:22PM

Save your money. Ugly obverse toning.

MadMonk · November 26, 2006 11:40PM

It's always worth a try if you really feel it could go, and you don'r mind blowing 30.00 buck regardless of the outcome.
The luster should be superb, or I would not try. Also, your primes need to be very, very clean

twodrhrdtp · November 27, 2006 10:58PM

new pics

bushmaster8 · November 28, 2006 1:13AM

The new pix show that the strike is probably acceptable for MS67, however some new detractions are now apparent.

Obv shows a milling mark on Bens shoulder and perhaps a tic on the cheek? right behind the flare of the nostril?

Rev milling mark series between the straps on the bell hanger is perhaps the coins biggest detriment.

Is that a V-shaped scrape across the bell cracK? or just on the plastique??

With a mark on each side, a Franklin would have to have absolutely astounding luster to get the 7 from PCGS IMHO.

Nice coin for sure! 1957-D's are often among the cleanest in the series though.

gamer1958 · November 28, 2006 3:55AM

This seems to be the first Franklin thread since supercarcoins got booted...I like your coin, good luck with it. I'm hesitant to give an opinion, for I believe that the price jump needs to be taken into consideration: 66 -- $200 +/- to 67 -- $3K +/-. The coin better be letter-perfect; personally, I wouldn't bet on this going 67.

WoodenJefferson · November 28, 2006 4:21AM

From what I know about Franklins, your coin in the images provided appears to be maxed out at MS-66

The obverse is a good strike by looking at the depth of Franklin's nose bridge, but I would like to see more lines in his hair (could be pix) hits on bust

On the reverse, the eagles wing feathers are weak on the left and for some reason the OF looks a bit weaker than the rest of the letters. (again, could be pix) hits on bell bridge

All in all it's a very nice MS-66 but I think you might be pushing the envelope to obtain a 67, but this is just an opinion looking at pictures.

There are very strong reasons there is such a low population for MS-67's Franklins...I think this is a prime example. The graders are going to be looking for an almost flawless coin for this series.

I have no idea about the flake you speak of on the reverse...this could be a real issue and it may behove you to keep this coin in the holder as is. It would be ashame if we were to lead you in the wrong direction...take the coin to a PCGS affiliated dealer and have them take a look at it before even thinking of a crack-out!

Moki · November 28, 2006 8:29AM

As stated by bushmaster, the mark on shoulder and in the middle of the bell hanger by themselves will IMO keep this coin from MS67 - but who knows what PCGS will do unless you send it in?

LindeDad · November 28, 2006 8:52AM

Nice MS66FB don't see it going higher. Good luck on the try.

Craton · November 28, 2006 8:56AM

The flake is a lamination error and in my opinion, it would bring down the grade ....... I don't know if PCGS would or not but it is a defect in the planchet and I find laminations distracting unless they are extreme examples.

segoja · November 28, 2006 9:11AM

Needs more luster for a 67

foodude · November 28, 2006 11:55AM

A PCGS MS67 Franklin is a tough, tough coin. While I have seen a couple that I wonder about, most of the MS67/MS67FBLs I've seen look special- great luster, very nice to super color (all I've seen are toned), well struck, and just a few minor ticks.

Ronyahski · November 28, 2006 12:31PM

Agree with the consensus so far, it would be a stretch to get a 67. The pic would need to show a bit more eye appeal/luster to make it. Is that a toning mark or something else under the nose in the field? If you want to submit, this type of Frankie would have a better chance across the street as a 67. Good luck!

twodrhrdtp · November 28, 2006 10:37PM

Thanks everyone for the input. The only mark on the Obv is the tick on the bust everything else is pic or slab. After hearing all this I tend to beleive it may not go. Luster is good but not outstanding. I guess I have a nice example of a 66. Maybe I will send this across the street for a try.

Thanks again

MadMonk · November 28, 2006 10:56PM

If you feel like a gambler, take Ronyahski's advice and try for the NGC-67. When I was submitting handfuls of coins, years ago, NGC consistently graded that caliber coin a point higher than PCGS.

Any Advice. I feel I have an MS67 Franklin---++ UPDATED PICS INSIDE++

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