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The power of paypal

Just noticed that a MS69 Buffalo closed at $820 last night. All this while another closed with no bids at $727.97 that did NOT take paypal. Either the winner didn't notice or was too damn lazy to get a money order or cashier's check. And the seller didn't want to pay 3% so now gets nothing. Brilliant.

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  • It's not really surprising. One of PayPal's big draws for sellers is that it gives buyers more flexibility in payment, and makes payment much easier for them. Sellers have to balance that against the costs of using PayPal (the commission PayPal requires, as well as the potential problem with chargebacks).
    If you haven't noticed, I'm single and miserable and I've got four albums of bitching about it that I would offer as proof.

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  • Hartman....if I was a seller I would only take paypal.


  • << <i>Hartman....if I was a seller I would only take paypal. >>



    I've sold sometimes, and that's how I do it. It's just more convenient all around. It's a bit more expensive, to be sue, but you have to take the good with the bad.
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    PayPal does have it draw backs.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



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  • KentuckyJKentuckyJ Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭

    As a buyer, I try to avoid using Paypal. I would rather go to the USPS and buy a money order. I think Paypal has seen better days. I usually pass on any auction that demands Paypal payment only.

    KJ

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My new policy it to accept PayPal, but prefer other means of payment. We'll see how that goes. I'll even spring for the postal M.O. fee for purchases over $100, but I don't dare mention that in my auctions, lest it be deemed Forbidden Text™.
  • Anyone wanting to use Paypal ought to do a Google search "Paypal problems".
    You may decide to skip the convenience to avoid the potential trouble.
    If a seller demands payment by paypal only, I pass them by.
    As a seller, I take cash, checks and money orders.

    Ray
  • flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭


    << <i>As a seller, I take cash, checks and money orders. >>

    Google up problems for those then, too.

    "Cash" is technically not permitted for eBay auctions. I used to advertise that I would accept "well-concealed cash" -- mostly as a gag. But then I had a slew of auctions shut down for illegal payment types. So, gag over.

    "Checks" -- of course, no one has ever received a bad check, right?

    "Money Orders" -- one of the many great services k6az provided to this forum before he was banninated was providing a list of MO serial numbers that were bogus.

    Yes, you can find any number of people who have had trouble with PayPal. Keep in mind that behind each of those troubled transactions are literally thousands and possibly millions of transactions that went off without a hitch.

    Unless you've got something that I just gotta have, I won't even bother with a check or money order only auction. It's just not worth my time to even place a bid, no less complete the transaction.

    When I sell, I'll take pretty much whatever you got. Most of my buyers (ghod love 'em) use PayPal, which is fine. BidPay appears to be back in business, so I'll include that in my next go 'round. I'll also accept cash (but don't tell eBay) in pretty much any convertible currency -- when I was dealing in Magic the Gathering cards, I did a bunch of cash transactions with Europe, and it was just a lot easier for them to send me francs, marks, sterling, or whatever (this was way back in the 1990s, pre-PayPal days) -- I just adjusted their prices to account for the conversion, and used the currency on my next trip over. I'm signed up for Google Checkout, which is also prohibited by eBay, but if someone wanted to use it, I'd find a way.

    I'm a big believer of the Platinum Rule when it comes to selling and customer service: "Treat others the way they wish to be treated." It's my opinion that in the longer term this is a more profitable philosophy than taking a narrow view and making life hard for the customer.
  • MisterBungleMisterBungle Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭

    The thing is, as a seller, you want as many people
    as possible to bid on your auction

    Which means you want to make it as easy as
    possible for someone to bid.

    When you start limiting options for potential
    bidders, such as NOT taking PayPal, or ONLY
    taking PayPal, all you are doing is limiting the
    number of bidders you will have to participate
    in your auction.

    Fewer Bidders = Less Money For You

    ~


    "America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.



  • << <i>Anyone wanting to use Paypal ought to do a Google search "Paypal problems".
    You may decide to skip the convenience to avoid the potential trouble.
    If a seller demands payment by paypal only, I pass them by.
    As a seller, I take cash, checks and money orders.

    Ray >>



    As a buyer, I don't do money orders. I'll do checks, mostly because electronic payment is easier now in the online banking age. But that's only in a situation where I feel a strong compulsion to buy an item. Only accepting checks or money orders is normally (in my experience, and with no disrespect intended to any forum members) a sign of a problematic transaction in the making. The one thing about PayPal I find essential (as I said, most of the time) is they basically force the seller to document everything.
    If you haven't noticed, I'm single and miserable and I've got four albums of bitching about it that I would offer as proof.

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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    If I saw 2 auctions with similar prices, and only one took paypal, I would bid on the on that takes paypal. It seems prehistoric sending out checks to me :-)

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  • flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Fewer Bidders = Less Money For You >>

    Very true.

    There's another major aspect of PayPal that many sellers don't appreciate -- the speed of the money.

    With PayPal, you get the money now. Money Orders will take at least a week to arrive, and checks another week or so after that to clear. Faster money means faster inventory turnover, more transactions, and (hopefully) more profit. A PayPal accepting seller can turn around four or five times as much inventory as a check-only seller.
  • Did the more expensive Buffalo start at a low price? Sometimes that makes a difference. Many people don't look at auctions with a high start price and they don't remember it when they get carried away trying to beat that other bidder. Or maybe the one seller has a better following than the other.

    I think anyone who wants to do a lot of selling on eBay would want to accept as many forms as payment as is practical. I prefer checks or MOs but find PayPal is a must.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    It's been my experience that since I started taking PayPal, it has increased the number of bids and the sale prices of my auctions. Maybe I've been lucky that I haven't had a butthead doing an unwarranted chargeback, but I think the higher sale prices more than offset the fees.


  • << <i>

    << <i>Fewer Bidders = Less Money For You >>

    Very true.

    There's another major aspect of PayPal that many sellers don't appreciate -- the speed of the money.

    With PayPal, you get the money now. Money Orders will take at least a week to arrive, and checks another week or so after that to clear. Faster money means faster inventory turnover, more transactions, and (hopefully) more profit. A PayPal accepting seller can turn around four or five times as much inventory as a check-only seller. >>



    While PayPal is fast, it's exactly now. Sure, the money gets to your PayPal account immediately, but it takes a few days for the money to make it to your bank account once you withdraw it.
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  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
    I don't sell, but for those who do, after a couple of thousand (successful) transactions, I offer what I do. I very, very rarely bid on coins unless the seller offers paypal as an option. I definately will not bid if cashiers check/M.O./cash, or CC by phone/fax/third party alternative, are the only options, and I will only use a personal check if I've dealt with the seller previously.
  • While PayPal is fast, it's exactly now. Sure, the money gets to your PayPal account immediately, but it takes a few days for the money to make it to your bank account once you withdraw it.

    not mine, I have a paypal debit card and once its in my paypal account I can have access to it right away
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  • 08HALA2008HALA20 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭
    I use Paypal all the time and never had a problem.

    I have even offered Free shipping if payment was made via check or money order and no one took me up on the offer.
    Most buyers like Paypal as I do and if I have a choice I bid on Paypal auctionsfirst.

    There is one piece of good advice I have heard on this forum and many horror stories.

    The best advice I heard was to open a checking account, most banks only require $25 and usually no fees especially at credit unions.
    Then use this account ONLY for paypal. Transfer all Pay pal funds immediately to the checing account and then withdraw the money right away and put in your regular bank account.

    This I will do this week now that my current auctions are paid for.

    Rookie Joe

  • 08HALA2008HALA20 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭


    << <i>not mine, I have a paypal debit card and once its in my paypal account I can have access to it right away >>



    Me too, I believe you can withdraw up to $3000 a week at a POS terminal with the debit card. $400 at an ATM.

    Rookie Joe
  • Unless I REALLY wanted a coin, I generally avoided auctions that didn't take paypal. I have no desire to stretch out the transaction over a month - mail the check, wait for it to get to you, wait for it to clear, etc. the money order is worse, now I have to go wait on line to get a payment for you. Fah-getta-bouttit!
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  • MisterBungleMisterBungle Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭

    RegistryCoin wrote, in part:

    > "I very, very rarely bid on coins unless the seller offers paypal as an option."
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    I'm the same way.

    Look, right now there are over 10,000 PCGS graded
    coins for sale on eBay.

    That's 10,000 just in PCGS holders!!

    If I want to make life as easy as possible for myself,
    which I do, and you don't want to take PayPal, then
    fine, I just move on to the next auction.

    I cull by feedback, non-acceptance of PayPal, bad pics,
    no return policy, non-PCGS holders, stupid shipping
    prices, rudeness in descriptions, and a few other
    things, and still there are thousands of coins to pick
    from.

    And I know I'm not unique among eBay shoppers, so
    that's why I continue to say, make buying as easy
    and painless as possible, and you will get more bidders
    and stronger prices for your ebay auctions.

    ~


    "America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.

  • I've been a seller-only over the last year or so (and limited at that). I state that I prefer checks or MOs but offer PayPal as a convenience. Virtually all my sales are concluded via PayPal. While I don't like the fee I do like the immediacy of the transaction. I occassionally offer the buyer free shipping if they pay with a method that I don't incur a fee. Obviously my shipping costs are figured to less than the PayPal fee.


  • << <i>My new policy it to accept PayPal, but prefer other means of payment. We'll see how that goes. I'll even spring for the postal M.O. fee for purchases over $100, but I don't dare mention that in my auctions, lest it be deemed Forbidden Text™. >>




    I have started offering a free gift for money orders instead of paypal. It seems to draw a few away from Paypal.

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