You Know You Are Doing VAMs Way Too Much When....

Coxe · November 24, 2006 2:49PM

....you write Leroy's zip code from memory on the Form 3806 (Registered Mail) without looking.

I sent him 50 coins in 4 shipments in about a week and a half. Gotta take a break until after FUN.

1921obsession · November 25, 2006 12:35AM

At the rate you're going, they'll have to start calling them VAMC's.

Coxe · November 25, 2006 2:56AM

LOL. If I could get more designations.... Leroy is tough on some of them. It will be interesting, as always to see how many new ones I get from these. (Some were sent just to show a detail or two he mentioned on a nice coin though, not for a new designation.)

HighRelief · November 25, 2006 3:08AM

You sure are keeping Leroy busy these days with the Vam shipments. Have you ever counted up how many discovery coins you have been responsible for?

Coxe · November 25, 2006 3:20AM

Looks like 20 new discoveries, 5 revisions, and 1 elimination, though I cannot find the data on one of the boxes (number 4 of 8 boxes). I stockpiled these for years and only started sending them in since the late Spring of this year. I found many had been found over the years while I just had them sitting around not getting around to sending them in. I have four boxes in the pipeline (boxes 9 through 12, 50 coins total). Hopefully, there will be some good ones out of it.

DennisH · November 25, 2006 6:04AM

... when you have 68 PCGS-graded VAMs

....that are all dated 1878-P.

(Oops. I forgot that 1877 Trade dollar was in box #1. Make that 67 VAMs)

DNADave · November 25, 2006 6:19AM

<< <i>... when you have 68 PCGS-graded VAMs

....that are all dated 1878-P.

(Oops. I forgot that 1877 Trade dollar was in box #1. Make that 67 VAMs) >>

wow

Coxe · November 25, 2006 6:23AM

Wow, Dennis, you got twice as many 78-P PCGS VAMs as I do. Some of you folks are way ahead of me on that date.

DennisH · November 25, 2006 6:29AM

This VAM stuff really is a sickness... especially when you start buying PCGS 7TF coins in MS62-63 at Grey Sheet just so you can try to figure out what they are. Not that this is such a good strategy... some of the ones in the front of the picture are coins I still can't identify. C'mon Oxman; we really need that 7TF attribution guide!!

Coxe · November 25, 2006 6:38AM

Leroy has a somewhat usable attribution guide for 7TF. I think that in time the wiki site will have enough information to at least identify the premium VAMs among them.

I do the same thing. When I see any Morgan with features I don't recognize, I have to see it in hand. A lot of discoveries come from just that.

DennisH · November 25, 2006 6:50AM

The key word is "somewhat".

I have Leroy's 7TF guide, it's helped a lot, and I'm thankful to have a copy. But my thanks are in comparison to the more or less nothing we had before. And, frankly, Leroy's guide falls far short in comparison to what is needed -- something on the order of the superb Oxman-Hartnet-Fivaz 8TF Attribution Guide. If something like that ever comes along, where even dolts like me can follow along and figure out what any given 7TF is, I think we'll see a massive surge in demand for them.

VamGuy · November 25, 2006 7:28AM

<< <i>The key word is "somewhat".

I have Leroy's 7TF guide, it's helped a lot, and I'm thankful to have a copy. But my thanks are in comparison to the more or less nothing we had before. And, frankly, Leroy's guide falls far short in comparison to what is needed -- something on the order of the superb Oxman-Hartnet-Fivaz 8TF Attribution Guide. If something like that ever comes along, where even dolts like me can follow along and figure out what any given 7TF is, I think we'll see a massive surge in demand for them. >>

DennisH · November 25, 2006 7:36AM

Crap. I can't even count right. That's actually 107 coins in the picture!

Dog97 · November 25, 2006 7:41AM

So I guess you guys knew danutt78 (sp?), Pete Bisal that was in the front of the old VAM book holding the real First Strike™ Morgan?

DennisH · November 25, 2006 7:56AM

I got to meet Pete a couple of times. A unique individual.

Dog97 · November 25, 2006 8:13AM

I knew him as an error dealer from eBay and ErrorWorld. He was sharp on errors too. We used to trade email discussing the politics behind the 4th ed of the Vam book and he had some interesting opinions on certian popular VAMS that he refuted as nothing more than hype.
He used to be a member and poster here shortly before he died. He was interesting allright.

messydesk · November 25, 2006 9:20AM

Jeff and I will probably do 7TF Attribution Software before a book comes out. There are a few remaining controversies in the 7TF B reverse series, including the 116/199.2 issue I got caught in, the "multiple dies exist" issue for VAMs 100, 130, 140, 186 (others?), and making sure that B2f reverse coins aren't merely late die states of B2a reverse coins. The C reverses are currently being straightened out by someone else whose name escapes me at the moment.

Pete Bishal definitely marched to the beat of a different drummer. I met him a few times at shows. He had worked out when each of the 8TF VAMs were struck down to the hour, given certain assumptions about production. He also recently tracked down decendants of Morgan who supposedly had additional pictures of him.

coindeuce · November 25, 2006 9:42AM

Pete(danutt78) was a conglomerate of Maynard Krebbs, Goober Pyle, the professor from "Back to the Future" etc., etc. But he was always engaging in conversation, and he knew exactly what the he// he was talking about. I met him at the 1997 eBay convention in Columbus, Ohio. He had made contact with a descendant of George Morgan, who was in possession of some of G.T.M.'s Mint engraver's tools. Pete was more excited about the prospect of aquiring those tools than any coin he had ever set eyes upon. Too bad he never got the opportunity to hold them...

Dog97 · November 26, 2006 4:57PM

Hey that's cool that many of you knew him.
The title of this thread “You Know You Are Doing VAMs Way Too Much When....” is what got me thinking about Pete because he was so enthusiastic about them.

You Know You Are Doing VAMs Way Too Much When....

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